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Current breakdown at the time of this post sorted by the number of monthly active users:

  1. lemmy.world: 101,013 total users / 27,472 active users
  2. lemmy.ml: 41,972 total users / 4,905 active users
  3. beehaw.org: 12,270 total users / 4,178 active users
  4. sh.itjust.works: 17,509 total users / 3,381 active users
  5. feddit.de: 8,675 total users / 2,935 active users
  6. lemm.ee: 10,348 total users / 2,751 active users
  7. lemmynsfw.com: 22,967 total users / 2,310 active users
  8. lemmy.fmhy.ml: 8,777 total users / 1,704 active users
  9. lemmy.ca: 5,072 total users / 1,656 active users
  10. programming.dev: 5,058 total users / 1,242 active users

Source: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Beehaw admins shot themselves in the foot, it was supposed to be the no.1 by now but they decided to persecute the left instead.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not really. They never wanted a large instance and didn't want to become a Reddit replacement. I see them more like a federated Tildes, honestly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When I switched they were one of the biggest communities, I'm really surprised to see just HOW FAR they fell.

beehaw defederating from lemmygrad was the entire reason why I created an account on lemmy.world

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

To be fair it's not really "falling" - Lemmy instances are not in competition with one another due to federation.

Understandably people want to feel like they "won" somehow, but this isn't something you really need to worry about on the Fediverse, it's more like everyone working alongside each other.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't appear like they value growth for growth's sake. And that's cool because it lets them focus on other, arguably more important, stuff. Many of our preconceived notions about social networking don't translate well to the federation model.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

arguably more important stuff

Censoring the left.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm as leftist as they come but I think it's their prerogative to defederate from any instance they want. If you and/or your content are not welcome there you should respect that. It would be kind of authoritarian otherwise, wouldn't it?

Censorship is not what's happening, because you're always free to express yourself in countless other spaces if you want. That does not mean that they're are forced to read what you say.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I actually quite like having Beehaw being proactive about their users' safety/ mental well-being.

I wound up making a second account on Lemmy.world so I can see what's going on in the larger Lemmy community, but I also appreciate being able to browse and post in a safer environment. I just wish the Lemmy back-end had more nuanced federation/ defederation options and better mod tools so I didn't have to make a second account to browse the extended Lemmy community.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I LOVE your username

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe they care more about their users than being number one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m ootl on that, is there a summary thread anywhere?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

That other reply/summary is a pretty biased hot take. Click on that user and see where he's coming from and you might see why. I'm not on Beehaw, but I'll take a shot at doing better.

Beehaw has the goal of being a "safe space" on the Internet: no harassment, no trolls, very supportive of marginalized groups, etc. So they're heavily moderated, but they have (or, at least had) a small mod team.

When the Reddit exodus started, with the sudden flood of people to Lemmy overall, two of the bigger instances, .world and shit just works, had open/instant registrations without any verification. Apparently people were signing up on those two instances and harassing/trolling communities on Beehaw, and their small mod team was overwhelmed trying to keep everything within their stricter policies. They said the mod tools available to them currently don't allow much granularity, so about the only thing they could do is defederate from the two instances, and that's what they did.

They said they consider it temporary until the tools or situation improve to the point where they can better handle it.

I personally think their goal is noble, but I've never seen anyone succeed at making a completely safe space on the Internet, and I'm not sure a federated instance is the place to make one, but good on them for trying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm afraid I don't have an account on beehaw and I don't have any bookmarks either but essentially they pose themselves as "neutral" but they are the far-right definition of neutral. The first issue was their terrible excuse to defederate from lemmygrad, they weren't sincere at all, they just kept making it look like they were doing some sort of "good thing", from that point they kept removing any strongly left-wing comments and banning users who disagreed with the American narrative of world events.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh gotcha, thanks for the summary!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

As an alternate viewpoint: admittedly, I haven't been super involved there, so maybe I missed some stuff, but I haven't seen anything like what that person was talking about. Lemmygrad are a bunch of tankies, the dumb shit they say makes the left look bad. From what I understand, people on the right seem to hate Beehaw because of their strong moderation policy.

I'm pretty sure the person you replied to is just a triggered tankie. "disagreed with the American narrative of world events," means, "they removed my Russian propaganda posts." I would take what they say with a grain of salt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I like beehaw, I made an account on Lemm.ee after they decided to defed from world and nuked the content I see

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Oh lol, I hoped over to beehaw briefly to check it out abd…yeah it doesn’t seem to line up with that comment, strong moderation yeah, but ah well. Thanks for providing some additional context!