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Not exactly helping the proles.
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Both sides are not the same. Republicans are the ones who don't want to help the workers and lower/middle class. Tax the rich and the big business. Make public college free, make healthcare free, make child care free. How? Tax the rich and big businesses. They have hoarded all the money we generated for them. (They are using it to create space ships for fun and buying up EVERYTHING). If they want to do business in the USA tax them. Stop voting for republicans, they don't care about our democracy. Get more liberal justices on the supreme court to fix what republicans have done to our rights. Money shouldn't be speech and corporations are not people.
I'm sure that Republicans right now are trying to stop student debt relief, again. Stop voting for them. They have no policies to help the workers. Only tax cuts for the rich and hate, i.e. woke, i.e. minorites, LGBT, women, non Christains, and diversity.
lol what happened to Biden forgiving debt??
There is one party that's literally, not metaphorically, trying to get student debt relief. And reproductive rights. Other isn't.
They say that and do nothing when it's slapped down. Do you honestly think they care about that? It's like a fucking abusive relationship where they tell you what you want to hear, spend one day doing said thing and then completely drop it until you kick up a fuss at election time, then they say more words you like to hear and dont follow it up with any action. rinse and repete. Republicans are such an easy scapegoat, and you lick it up like the good little dem you are.
Like at some point you have to realize that they won't do what you want. They're full of fucking air.
What exactly (and be specific) do you expect them to do when our system of governance strikes down their attempt?
Yeah and they're still warmongers.
Read up. Then respond to the subject being discussed.
Which one made promises for 50 years and did nothing?
Remind me cuz I seem to have forgotten which party recently busted up a union strike, which one refused to repeal Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, and worked directly with McConnell to make the bush tax cuts for the wealthy permanent, who was the one that forced for profit health care system on us and then mandated everyone participate? Which one was it? That should have gone through the higher education act to eliminate student debt but followed a route that was destined to fail? Which one is it that is now overfunding cops to the extent of pushing and funding cop city in Atlanta, to further subjugate minority communities, which party passed a far overreaching crime bill that specifically targeted black males, and the for-profit prison system that he's used to house them in? Which party had the crime bill that was so restrictive that it went too far for even Reagan, and he had to insert it into the violence against women act so people would not vote against it, which party was that?
All concessions to Republican control. Don't blame the party stopping progress, blame the progressives. What a joke.
I blame the party, they are the ones in control, or in most cases, not in control. They are shit for governing while blaming everyone but themselves for incompetence.
The Democrats aren't responsible for the impedence of a Republican owned house, senate, and supreme court you fucking moron.
Since its hard to keep up sometimes:
Which party busted up a union strike? Democrats Which one refused to repeal Trumps tax cuts for the wealthy? Democrats Which one worked directly with McConnell as VP to make the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy permanent? Biden Which party forced everyone to participate in protecting healthcare profits under the guise of healthcare? Democrats Which party should have gone through the HEA to eliminate student debt because it already had provisions to allow canceling student debt, but they didnt so it would get challenged and fail? Democrats Which party is over funding oppressive cops and is now pushing for 'cop cities' all over the country so they can subjugate uniformly? Democrats Which party passed a crime bill so unpopular with the public and Congress they had to sneak it into the Violence Against Women Act so it would pass? Democrats Which party help increase the federal use of for profit prisons to house the targeted black males using their crime bill? Democrats Which party fundraised via fear mongering over Roe for 50 years while promising to codify it into law, then did nothing resulting on it being challenged by SCOTUS? Democrats Which party talks about climate change but issues more drilling permits than any other President before them, and further increases funding to the world's largest polluter, the military? Democrats
Do you see a trend now? All these things were done without the controlled opposition republicans
What he is doing is called gish gallop and has soured all forms of debate in America. Its... textbook. You just give out so many arguments, no matter the merit, that it's a complete slog to counter each of them. Where it falls flat is if you press them on one fucking thing, doesn't even have to be about the shit they listed and you can easily win any argument with these ass hats.
It's funny, cause when you do press them and they see their bullshit isn't working they go, "no fair." Pricks, all of em.
They say that you shouldn't argue with idiots because they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
It's a skill issue, I think too many erudite people refuse to appropriately educate themselves in the ways of the disingenuous, ignorant, and uneducated because those things are incongruent with truth and knowledge.
They lack the understanding that you need to practice arguing with idiots to get better at arguing with idiots; so they never develop the skills to be pointedly obtuse, belligerent and mean in an effective manner to shut down and wind out other belligerent people. Subsequently they lack the knowledge on how to fight back against wilfully ignorant or disingenuous speech.
For a nerdy analogy I'm the grey jedi of argumentation.
They literally did the pigeon shitting on a chess board and trotting around like they won bit too... said "take the L" and everything after an exhausting explanation about how they're being intentionally dense and refusing to acknowledge context.
Typical...
Not sure it's the same person, but I responded to them if you want some more entertainment. Let the master class continue.
Easily my favorite roast I’ve seen in quite a while. I love it cause it’s true
You got your shit rocked, take the L with dignity, no need to stoop to the level of personal insults if you’re so smart.
Reposting this part of the masterclass because apparently mods can't read prior context and need to lest they consider themselves included. http://lemmy.world/comment/2876316
Sure there is, people like you are too stupid, ignorant, and incompetent to participate in the conversation you want to have yet you will continue to try because you have the functional mental capacity of an amoeba. This comment is proof, you're so wilfully ignorant and incapable of checking your own ego that you can't help but be disingenuous and belligerent because that's the limit of your knowledge.
When it's obvious that you lack even the slightest chance of cognizance then there's no longer any point in trying to "discuss" or "converse"with you because you lack the fundamental skills to participate and are literally too stupid to realise your own incapabilities, leaving just one course of interaction, derision and humiliation of your crayon munching capacity.
Like trying to teach a dog how to tie a shoe, you just don't have it in you to participate, but you'll try and think you're participating anyway
Reposting for posterity, apparently the mods are prone to removing legitimate conversation and discussion because bad words hurt their fefe's. +20 / -2 at time of removal.
Yeah, I see a trend of ignorance and stupidity in your posts, you ignore the why and the how and the intent and the hurdles. You look at a result and ignore everything about how it got there because you're too stupid to think beyond one layer of complexity.
Like the union strike that was broken for capitalist ideals, not progressive ideals, but Biden still negotiated and got the workers demands from the rail companies. But you ignore that. And every other item you listed has just as much if not more context that your braindead troglodyte mentally deficient self can't comprehend because you've been poisoned by lack of education, lack of nutrition, and lack of social support, so you grew up functionally retarded. **
The only ignorance here are the fools that can't see their party and its leaders are incompetent. And that you support right-wing policies and legislators
You right, let's get rid of all the conservatives from the Democrat party.
I'm all for it
That would result in the elimination of the DNC, which Im all in favor of
Let's do it
No, no, see, we should just roll over and take all that with our asses up because they'll maybe try and throw a measly attempt at giving us back federal abortion rights and student loan forgiveness, maybe. And they can't do anything but give up if the Republicans slap any of that down. "oh well, we tried! But now we're busy starting proxy wars and throwing our young men and women into decade-long wars, so stfu and take what we give you and be thankful for it."
"Oh,it's election time? No, no, don't withhold your vote from us, if you do that, abortion will be federally banned this time around, probably! Listen, we'll do you a solid and attempt to throw another half-assed bill at the Republicans. Yeah, they'll slap it down, and no, we won't push back or anything, we'll be too busy funding more wars that we don't call wars, but, you know, at least we're better than them. So be a good little removed and roll over and stick your ass up.
Inb4: "BoThSiDeIsM" and "nAzI!!!"
What should the Democrats do? Pass legislation with 48/100 senate votes (first two years) or without control of the house (now)? Pass things unconstitutionally via executive order and hope that the ideologicaly opposed supreme court allows their illegal action to slide? Should they tear the whole thing down and install a dictatorship like Trump wants to do?
Start holding individual representatives accountable for their actions and votes. Not one republican was willing to cross party lines to put their country first, yet people like you blame the politicians who tried to help and either withhold the votes they need to get stuff done or outright give their votes to the party whose platform is literally to harm us.
They should primary the fuckers who think if maybe we just listen to the Nazis just a little bit, it will be all ok.