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Remember how Governor Wallace said, "Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever"?
What most people don't know is that decades later, he went to a lot of work to try to undo the damage he caused and advocate for civil rights. The problem was, the damage had been done a lot of it. Very real people have had their lives injured. He egged on voters into bigotry longer than they needed to be.
I can't help but feel that the last 10 years or so, we've been watching the same thing. All of this is going to age like milk. Future (and even current) generations suffering (or who will soon suffer) the effects of the climate crisis, are going to universally find moments like tonight universally outrageous.
History won't be written by baby Boomers. It's going to be written by the gen alpha kids who will be the adults when we're old and gone.
It won't be written by anyone if we can't pry these greedy scumbags from power.
Time to start building the guillotines.
This climate denialism has been going on much longer than that. For as long as there's been profit in damaging the environment, there's denialism about that damage. In many ways our whole capitalistic western culture is and has always been environmental denialism ... it's the cultural air we've been breathing since we were all born.
And yes ... completely agree with you ... our, and our parents' generation are going to age like fine milk ... we're going to look toddlers that had technology and the ability to great things right in our hands but instead shat our pants and broke everything we touched because of stupidity we had not yet grown out of, because a better parent should not have given us this technology yet until we'd grown up more.
My personal take on this is that all the generations of modernity will be lumped together in this way as the period in which humanity's reach truly exceeded its grasp. Modern warfare, Fascism, Nuclear weapons, modern capitalism, the internet and mass-(dis-)information. Collectively, we'll look pretty foolish and dumb when looking back, like a people that didn't know how to actually think about what we were doing collectively.
It'll also be interesting to think about our cultural thinking process struggled to keep up with our technological progress. The comical image I have in my mind is a toddler quickly going from grabbing a swallowable piece of Lego, to a knife, to an electric saw to a lightsaber before the babysitter realises that they really need to intervene. And so that toddler will grow up without a left foot always wondering how in the hell the world let them have a lightsaber as a 2 year old.
To a capitalist, a forest has no value until it’s cut down.
A lake in a remote location provides pristine, clean water to a local village, for free. Someone buys the lake, builds fences around it, begins packing the water in bottles and selling them. Thanks to this valiant entrepreneur, the GDP has grown.
Holy damn, stealing this.
Direct climate change has been a past couple of decades issue, but damaging nature for profit has existed for as long as we have had the tools to do so.
I wonder if they have any sense of how history will judge them and if it hunts them at night. They are probably to mutch involved in their daily power struggles but I would like to think that their time of reflection will come. Not every politician can be such an ignorant narcist like the orange clown, right?
I find it to be outrageous now, no need for future generations looking back to fulfill that prophecy. What's most outrageous is that I'm pretty sure they all know the truth, it's just politically unfashionable for them to admit it.
In general I try not to attribute something to malice if it is better explained by stupidity.
These clowns are stretching my faith in that
LOL, my faith snapped the better part of a decade ago.
At this point, I've realized that they're deliberately exploiting the charitable attitudes of people like you in order to troll us.
He egged on voter longer than they needed to be? How long did they need to be egged on?