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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Being anti-tankie does not make you anti-communist.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Being anti-woke doesn't mean I'm conservative!"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When people say "anti-woke", they actually mean that they are anti-doing anything about the awareness of systemic inequality that wokeness indicates. By definition, someone who is against change/progress is a conservative, so when someone says they are anti-woke, they are by definition expressing a conservative stance. That is, wanting to do something about systemic inequality is synonymous with having a progressive stance on systemic inequality.

Being a tankie, on the other hand, is not synonymous with being a comunist. Tankies are just one form of communist (militant).

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And when people say they are "anti-tankie", they actually mean that they are anti doing anything about the awareness of systematic inequality that tankie indicates. By definition, someone who is against change/progress is a conservative, so when someone says they are anti-tankie, they are by definition expressing a conservative stance. That is, wanting to do something about systemic inequality is synonymous with having a progressive stance on systemic inequality.

Being a tankie, on the other hand, is not synonymous with being a comunist. Tankies are just one form of communist (militant).

Other way around: communists are just one form of tankies, the word is also used to refer to anarchists and some soc-dems.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You're spun around, flipped upside-down, and confused as can be.

Tankie is a term that specifically refers to one particular kind of communism; namely, the kind that supports authoritarian regimes that try to impose communism through the use of force to repress dissent.

You can be a communist and not be a tankie. You cannot be against progress and be a progressive.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're spun around, flipped upside-down, and confused as can be.

Very compelling, but have you considered

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Tankie is a term that specifically refers to one particular kind of communism

No, it's used to refer a wide, vague blob of vibes, just like the word woke. The people who use it can can do use it to refer to all kinds of communists, most anarchists, and anything to the left of Elizabeth Warren in general.

that try to impose communism through the use of force.

As opposed to the kind of communism where you ask nicely for revolution? Have you actually read any Marx? I guarantee he was not a pacifist.

You can be a communist and not be a tankie

By your own definition you cannot, let alone by a definition of tankie that describes how libs actually use it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As opposed to the kind of communism where you ask nicely for revolution? Have you actually read any Marx? I guarantee he was not a pacifist.

You deliberately misquoted me by cutting off the end of that sentence so you could have a nice soft strawman to swing at. The full sentence said

that try to impose communism through the use of force to repress dissent.

Forceful revolution by the workers against the capitalist class is a completely different matter from forceful repression of dissent by the state against students and professors.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That doesn't change the context at all. Dissent from the capitalist class is still dissent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lol okay, sure, yeah. Only the capitalist class. Got it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Marxism is when you capitulate to revolts from a small part of the population, with no concern for protecting the project that the majority supports"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Forceful revolution by the workers against the capitalist class is a completely different matter from forceful repression of dissent by the state against students and professors.

So you're pro tanks against capitalists?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Can’t eat the rich without some utensils

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tankie is a term that specifically refers to one particular kind of communism

Nope, tankie originally referred specifically to British labor party members supporting the USSR's actions against the coup in Hungary, and today is used to refer to any anti-imperialist leftist, regardless of tendency. Of course all of you claim otherwise, but these claims are provably empty, as nobody who uses the term today, including you in this thread, bothers to check for the actual political views of the people you call tankie, you see something that may go against the state department narratives that are spoonfed to you by V*ush and the reddit front page or whoever else has done this pseudo-leftist brainworming to you and you start yelling tankie at the top of your liberal, western-chauvinist lungs. A good number of the people posting on hexbear are anarchists and DemSocs, but you will label all of them tankie as long as they critically support China or question the narrative on the new forever war in Ukraine, which to you equals "thinking today's Russia is true communism" and similar nonsense. Your understanding of politics is damaged beyond repair by being socialized as a smartass debatelord who has become entirely incapable of forming judgements not based on learned reflex and of engaging in good faith conversations. I would pity you if people like you wouldn't be such a disaster for the Western left and for anybody in the Global South suffering from the continued imperialism you help enable by fighting the last genuine critics of genocidal US policies that are left in the West. You CIA tool, you psyop casualty, you neocon bootlicker.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t call someone a tankie based on where they post, but in what they post. If you don’t want to be called a tankie, then don’t post tankie shit.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If showing solidarity with victims of Amerikan imperialism makes me a tankie, i'll prefer that over being a white supremacist warmonger who justifies the bombing of brown people in "shithole countries" like literally everybody who calls people a tankie online.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No worries, that’s not what makes someone a tankie

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what if i say "China is far from perfect, but the people there are a lot happier with their government than the Amerikans, they are much less of a threat geopolitically, maybe we should leave them alone because it's honestly none of our business how the Chinese govern themselves"? Is it the usual 50 cent wumao genocide denier tinaman square then?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not how the world works in the year 2023. Isolationism just isn't a conceivable possibility. All countries are interconnected, and what's happening in one country influences what's happening in other countries in major ways.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isolationsim isn't "let's not act hostile towards this country" you absolute ghoul.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A ghoul isn’t “an attractive and intelligent person” you absolute pumpkin.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'll take being a beloved halloween decoration over being a chauvinist warmonger.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

impose communism through the use of force to repress dissent.

All societies impose force to repress dissent (other than anarchist communes I guess, where force is mediated by norms)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How so? How is being against AES not anti-comminist?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why does AES always seems to end up with forced labor camps? I don't remember forced labor camps being a central part of socialist ideology...

A country can call itself socialist, that doesn't make it so.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So the arbiter of what is socialist is you? Not the revolutionaries who have actually worked on socialist projects

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, I can have an opinion on socialism without having been a socialist-revolutionary. That is correct. Spot on.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sure you can have an opinion, but if its about something you know nothing about, and have not investigated then it is worthless. Not just to other people, but to yourself as well

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know you are, but what am I?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

no-choice I now have no choice but to abandon communism

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What have you actually done to help socialism then?

Are you a union organiser? Are you in a union? Which one? What party are you in? What projects do you support? What are you actually doing as a socialist? Other than voting for a liberal party every few years I mean.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My partner is a teacher and is in a union. We are both active in organizing and supporting. There are no unions for the industry I work in, so I work with hers.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Then you should know better than this bullshit, because you would be working with several of us. There is definitely not a teaching union that is not filled with MLs, education in particular has the highest number of us.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

As opposed to you/hexbear being sole arbiters?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So America is AES? We lead the world in prision labor.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

America bad does not imply China good.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

China doing good in the world while America does bad does imply that though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Cause you can hate one thing but like an other version.

The world is not black and white.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Been thinking about getting one so I can just regurgitate trite Redditisms and feel content contributing nothing to the minds of others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How you like communism and hate communism at the same time? Its not black and white thinking, its just basic reality