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This is (i) welfare for the well-to-do, (ii) great incentive for colleges to keep pushing up their tuition fees, and (iii) fiscal stimulus during a critical juncture in the fight to tame inflation. Let it not be said that the Republican Party has a monopoly on bad policy ideas.
Ah yes, student loans are all the rage down at the country club. Won't you be a good chap and bring me my balance statement, of which I will light my Cuban with.
People with college degrees, on average, make a million more lifetime dollars than people without. This goes up further with post-graduate education.
Student loan forgiveness should always irst be targeted at college dropouts. Tiering it based on income is not. AS good but is a close 2nd
Them too. Fuck those guys.
I disagree with you, but your position has some sentiments I can understand. So instead of getting angry, downvoting, and throwing a fit, I am just going to respond calmly:
If you look at the actual details of the plan it’s pretty reasonable.
Lowered interest rates for everyone who are making their payments.
Higher threshold for low income earners to get some forgiveness. This counters your “well-to-do” argument.
I think he was referring to the idea of forgiveness, not this plan.
Well this plan is the topic. Or so I thought.
Not exclusively, no. There's a lot of discussion about the original forgiveness plan too, the one struck down by the courts.
Ya but it’s was an OP comment. Response to the new plan in that context.
I could see if he was responding to a comment that was about a different plan from before. But it was an un truncated comment that responds to the article.
You're right, if we follow the flow of the conversation it looks like he's talking about this plan. I assumed he was talking about full forgiveness since his criticisms don't make sense otherwise, but maybe he just has fox news brain rot.
You’re right too.
Maybe or maybe not Fox News brain rot. Maybe just addressing the greater discussion of the past times as you said. But I assumed in this context otherwise. There’s a lot of people who don’t read articles and just talk in very broad terms.
Explain how you came up with point one. The well to do will not qualify or benefit from this at all. Its based on income and is definitely skewed to benefit well off people at all.
College graduates receive a big wage premium; over a lifetime, average earnings of graduates exceed those of nongraduates by about $1M. Yes, people who just graduated may not be earning high incomes today, but project things out over decades and it's clear this is not the group in need of support.
In fact, given the magic of compound interest, we would expect a college loan forgiveness programme to greatly increase the net financial position of graduates versus nongraduates, on top of what the graduate earnings premium already achieves. Hence increasing the overall level of wealth inequality in the country.
Not sure how you decided this seeing as this benefits people at the poverty line and not the wealthy. Sure, anything can encourage schools to push up tuition prices, but there's literally a bill in play right now to cap tuition prices. It's not loan forgiveness, but it's far better than nothing. Also, the financial impact is a pittance. It's not the 50k per borrower floated in 2020. It's not even the 10k the scotus shot down.
My parents were/are (Mom's still alive) well-to-do. I was lucky in that I didn't have to take out student loans. No one is giving me welfare.
My wife, on the other hand, could sure use some relief from the student loan debt she incurred because her family is not the privileged one mine is.
We're fiscally responsible. We pay our bills on time. We have a fixed-rate mortgage. We have two cars, but one is paid off.
We're in our mid-40s and she still has a ton of student loan debt. That's insanity.
Sounds like you have plenty of money but only pay the minimum payments on her loans, which is a questionable choice at best.
It may sound like that, but that would be false. We live paycheck-to-paycheck like a majority of Americans.
We pay what we can afford to pay.
Believe it or not, people who grow up with wealthy parents aren't necessarily wealthy themselves.
Dude you have a mortgage. You are not paycheck to paycheck, you have assets you can pull equity from at any time. You may not be saving cash but you are saving assets.
You are not poor.
Let me say that again.
YOU ARE NOT POOR.
Tired of all these upper middle class people pretending like they're lining up at food banks. You're good, dude. You made it. You are doing better than most. You don't need relief. You know who needs relief? The dude who never had the opportunity to go to college in the first place and is making $20,000 a year.
I never said I was poor. But going into more debt would make us poor.
I'm certainly not upper middle class.
If you can afford to get a mortgage on a house nowadays, you are upper middle class.
Nowadays? We bought it 10 years ago. In a depressed small city with high unemployment. It's also only worth about $200,000. You know how low that is for a house right now?
Maybe don't make assumptions.
How much was it worth when you bought it?
$175,000. So clearly it's a luxury mansion. Jesus fucking Christ.
Liar. There's practically no markets in the country that have seen such low appreciation over 10 years. That doesn't even match inflation.
Either you're stupendously unlucky (in which case my point still stands) or you're a liar (more likely, and again my point still stands).
Oh fuck off. You have no idea. I'm not lucky or a liar, but you're fucking blocked.
Hahaha caught you out, did I?
I'm well to do now? This is for me and I consider not eating for 48 hours at a time because the price of food rn is bonkers to be a solid financial decision.
You’re wrong about (i) and (iii) - seriously who does that? - but as someone whose kids will be starting college in a few years I agree with (ii).
We need to find a way to get everyone who is capable a college education without needing loans. Apart from my own personal interests, there is a huge amount of brain power wasted by not having education freely available.
I'm confused. Are you saying this is not welfare for the well to do, and is not a form of stimulus?
Welfare is not inherently bad.
Not everyone who has student loans is well to do.
This doesn't come into effect until next year, at which time inflation should be under control.