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Anecdote incoming:
Every motorcyclist I ever see is driving like a fucking maniac, solidly 20 mph faster than traffic, aggressively weaving between cars, using the breakdown lane at their convenience, etc.
I know there are "safe, normal" riders but the ones I interact with all seem like they are tempting death for fun
Counter point: those are the only riders you notice.
Anecdote pre declared, your counterpoint is parried.
You said every rider you ever see is breaking the law. Which is clearly nonsense. Meanwhile dont pretend you never break any road rules.
And finally
The topic is motorbikes in queensland. Not america.
Both main points you raised related to my sharing an anecdote, which, as you seemingly don't know the word generally means:
A biographical event specific to the speaker's experience.
So yes, every rider I SEE, implying the ones I personally detect, and personally NOTICE.
Next I used whatever speed unit I wanted because the condition of reckless motorbike usage is not specific to Queensland, and as I already mentioned I was using an anecdote (again reminder that means a story about my own life, sorry if you forgot again), I used the speed unit that applied to where I experienced it.
If you're confused about when I started my anecdote refer to the first two words of my comment.
Lastly nice attempt with the Tu Quoque fallacy, suggesting I am a lawbreaker too and therefore can't criticize others. Childish.
Get parried, begone, drive safely.
Definitely my experience
Where is the incentive to ride safe when they are paying half the rego (too much!) to share the roads with people who so careless that they'd kill them without hardly noticing they hit something? Im not saying its ok. Im saying I understand it.
"The vehicle I choose to drive puts me at greater risk of injury and death, regardless of who is at fault, so I'm going to drive in a manner that further increases my risk of injury or death."
See how ridiculous that sounds?
God forbid motorcyclists try help reduce pollution or congestion on the roads. But nah thats cool, idiot drivers keep hitting and killing us. Its only driving up your TAC.
Why not make it easier for drivers not to hit them?
Surely they have more incentive to drive safe coz the price of having an accident is so much higher for them (physical injury, maiming and death).
I'm not saying they shouldnt ride safe. Riders doing 80kmh along hoddle street amongst stop start traffic are insane. But doing illegal stuff to avoid cars is often not unsafe riding. Staying the F away from cars is the safest bet.
I assume you're not an Aussie, since you said mph?
But sure... all over the world there are idiots who ride...
The thing is though, if they weren't on a bike they'd be going even faster and driving even more aggressively behind the wheel of a nice safe truck (safe for the driver anyway).
At least on the bike the risk encourages them to be a little less aggressive and they're less likely to hurt anyone else.