this post was submitted on 20 Aug 2023
75 points (97.5% liked)

Australia

3600 readers
63 users here now

A place to discuss Australia and important Australian issues.

Before you post:

If you're posting anything related to:

If you're posting Australian News (not opinion or discussion pieces) post it to Australian News

Rules

This community is run under the rules of aussie.zone. In addition to those rules:

Banner Photo

Congratulations to @[email protected] who had the most upvoted submission to our banner photo competition

Recommended and Related Communities

Be sure to check out and subscribe to our related communities on aussie.zone:

Plus other communities for sport and major cities.

https://aussie.zone/communities

Moderation

Since Kbin doesn't show Lemmy Moderators, I'll list them here. Also note that Kbin does not distinguish moderator comments.

Additionally, we have our instance admins: @[email protected] and @[email protected]

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Anecdote incoming:

Every motorcyclist I ever see is driving like a fucking maniac, solidly 20 mph faster than traffic, aggressively weaving between cars, using the breakdown lane at their convenience, etc.

I know there are "safe, normal" riders but the ones I interact with all seem like they are tempting death for fun

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Counter point: those are the only riders you notice.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anecdote pre declared, your counterpoint is parried.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said every rider you ever see is breaking the law. Which is clearly nonsense. Meanwhile dont pretend you never break any road rules.

And finally

solidly 20 mph

The topic is motorbikes in queensland. Not america.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Both main points you raised related to my sharing an anecdote, which, as you seemingly don't know the word generally means:

A biographical event specific to the speaker's experience.

So yes, every rider I SEE, implying the ones I personally detect, and personally NOTICE.

Next I used whatever speed unit I wanted because the condition of reckless motorbike usage is not specific to Queensland, and as I already mentioned I was using an anecdote (again reminder that means a story about my own life, sorry if you forgot again), I used the speed unit that applied to where I experienced it.

If you're confused about when I started my anecdote refer to the first two words of my comment.

Lastly nice attempt with the Tu Quoque fallacy, suggesting I am a lawbreaker too and therefore can't criticize others. Childish.

Get parried, begone, drive safely.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Definitely my experience

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Where is the incentive to ride safe when they are paying half the rego (too much!) to share the roads with people who so careless that they'd kill them without hardly noticing they hit something? Im not saying its ok. Im saying I understand it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"The vehicle I choose to drive puts me at greater risk of injury and death, regardless of who is at fault, so I'm going to drive in a manner that further increases my risk of injury or death."

See how ridiculous that sounds?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

God forbid motorcyclists try help reduce pollution or congestion on the roads. But nah thats cool, idiot drivers keep hitting and killing us. Its only driving up your TAC.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Why not make it easier for drivers not to hit them?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Surely they have more incentive to drive safe coz the price of having an accident is so much higher for them (physical injury, maiming and death).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying they shouldnt ride safe. Riders doing 80kmh along hoddle street amongst stop start traffic are insane. But doing illegal stuff to avoid cars is often not unsafe riding. Staying the F away from cars is the safest bet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I assume you're not an Aussie, since you said mph?

But sure... all over the world there are idiots who ride...

The thing is though, if they weren't on a bike they'd be going even faster and driving even more aggressively behind the wheel of a nice safe truck (safe for the driver anyway).

At least on the bike the risk encourages them to be a little less aggressive and they're less likely to hurt anyone else.