this post was submitted on 20 Aug 2023
75 points (97.5% liked)
Australia
3605 readers
45 users here now
A place to discuss Australia and important Australian issues.
Before you post:
If you're posting anything related to:
- The Environment, post it to Aussie Environment
- Politics, post it to Australian Politics
- World News/Events, post it to World News
- A question to Australians (from outside) post it to Ask an Australian
If you're posting Australian News (not opinion or discussion pieces) post it to Australian News
Rules
This community is run under the rules of aussie.zone. In addition to those rules:
- When posting news articles use the source headline and place your commentary in a separate comment
Banner Photo
Congratulations to @[email protected] who had the most upvoted submission to our banner photo competition
Recommended and Related Communities
Be sure to check out and subscribe to our related communities on aussie.zone:
- Australian News
- World News (from an Australian Perspective)
- Australian Politics
- Aussie Environment
- Ask an Australian
- AusFinance
- Pictures
- AusLegal
- Aussie Frugal Living
- Cars (Australia)
- Coffee
- Chat
- Aussie Zone Meta
- bapcsalesaustralia
- Food Australia
- Aussie Memes
Plus other communities for sport and major cities.
https://aussie.zone/communities
Moderation
Since Kbin doesn't show Lemmy Moderators, I'll list them here. Also note that Kbin does not distinguish moderator comments.
Additionally, we have our instance admins: @[email protected] and @[email protected]
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Motorcycle: 600 pounds, very good sight lines, ability to hear surroundings, maneuverable around obstacles
Car: over 2000 pounds, poor sight lines, poor stopping and maneuverabilty, lots of distractions.
motorcycles are more dangerous to the operator
cars are more dangarous to other road users
I reckon you're still more likely to walk away from a crash between two cars than one between two motorcycles
Crash between two motorcycles is such an edge case it doesn't even matter. Car hitting a motorcycle is the leading cause of death and ijury for motorcycle. The person operating the machine most capable of killing others is responsible for not killing others
But if we all rode motorcycles, this wouldn't be an edge case; we would all be less safe. Thus, if everyone drove cars we would be safer. Safe cars can be had second hand for cheap, hence it is the choice of the rider to forego safety when riding a motorcycle. I'm not saying it's unreasonable to ask that car drivers stay aware of motorcycles, but to make them wholly responsible for the safety of motorcyclists is ridiculous
thats a reduction of the topic beyond whats reasonable. I did not say that motrcyclists were not responsible for their own safety. What I have said is that car drivers are also responsible for rider safety.
Motorcycles are most dangerous to the operator, the operator must take responsibility for their safety.
Cars are most dangerous to everyone who is not the operator, therefore the operator is responsible for their safety too.
If it's known that cars are less manoeuvrable and have poorer sight lines, why do motorcyclists insist on gunning it past cars and swerving into the next lane before they've fully cleared the car they're trying to overtake. Not to mention the constant overtaking from the left, which is a completely moronic thing to do. If they're weaving in and out of traffic rather than just staying in their lane and spot, they're far less likely to sneak up on a car unawares and get hit.
That is entirely on them.
Yeah, thats quite true. Thats a pretty irresbonsible way to ride.
The main cause of collisions between cars and motorcycles is right-of-way violations, when a car turns right across traffic without looking to see if a motorcycle is oncoming.
The second cause is right-of-way violations, when a car pulls left onto the roadway without looking to see if a motorcycle is oncoming.
Both of these result in a head-on collision that is very diffcult to avoid. It's the reason why the campaigns focus on "look twice".
These two car violations are also the leading cause of cyclist and pedestrian death and injury.