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Good if his lawyers are actually competent. Maybe he'll listen to them this time. A good trial requires a good defense.
Donald Trump hasn't listened to anyone (who doesn't already agree with him) since his father died. These lawyers are smart enough to know that. This leak is all about making sure that when Trump does the dumb thing anyway, they don't get disbarred over it.
Why even represent him in the first place if he is such a massive risk?
Money. Then again, he doesn't pay. If they're smart, they will have somehow accounted for this.
A hefty retainer fee hopefully.
I see you've met my orthodontist
Take my upvote and go
Because everyone needs representation, and they probably convinced him to pay up front.
This might be a little bit reductive, but I'm pretty sure you can tell that they're not competent lawyers because they are Trump's lawyers.
He's known to ignore his lawyers, lie to them, refuse to pay them, and throw them under the bus. I can't imagine a competent lawyer wanting that client. Maybe someone just looking to get their name plastered everywhere, aka some kind of grifter, but definitely not a competent lawyer.
Pretty sure they're demanding payment upfront now
Hopefully they're still always meeting with him with another lawyer in the room so they can verify what he says.
My point, I think, still stands.
Like they do for us plebs? Last time I hired an attorney they required a retainer upfront.
I'm not interested in a 'good' trial. This isnt a netflix drama.
You should be. Otherwise there's grounds for a mistrial and we're right back where we started.
The defense can be merely adequate.
What are you even arguing?
In spirit, that strategically, the best thing is for Trump to have a defense that is competent enough to avoid a mistrial, but not competent enough to shield him from accountability in any meaningful way. This would be my preference.
I believe that it is obvious that he has committed crimes and should be held accountable for it. However, the spirit of our justice system as enshrined in the Bill of Rights is that everyone should get a fair trial and it shouldn't be any difference in this case. In a fair trial he would be properly held accountable for his crimes, assuming a fair trial goes both ways.
I do understand the sentiment behind wanting him to screw up so he is actually held accountable.
Sure. An adequate lawyer can get him a fair trial.
A good trial is one where all sides have presented the strongest case they can, the judgement reflects the quality of those cases, and the verdict leaves no doubt in anyone's mind that justice was done.
Poor counsel leads to poor, untrustworthy outcomes.
Yes I know, I am naive.
95% of all criminal cases end up in a plea bargain. The vast majority of Americans can't afford a good lawyer anyway and get fucked by our legal system.
He's as likely to listen to them as he is to pay them.