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Who keeps saying Elon's Nazi salute was a Nazi salute? Amongst others, a whole lot of fucking Nazi's.

ETA: Wired has more coverage on how real goddamn fucking nazis are just as happy as pigs in shit right now: Neo-Nazis Love the Nazi-Like Salutes Elon Musk Made at Trump's Inauguration.

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[–] [email protected] 159 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It takes them until the ~~third~~ edit: miscount, fourth paragraph to even connect it to Nazi Germany. “Straight arm salute” and “Roman salute” and not a single use of the term “Nazi salute”, is this a fucking joke?

[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 day ago (1 children)

is this a fucking joke?

It's fucking fear of retaliation if they call it what it is.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Gotta be honest, I’m feeling real “then perish” about it when this is literally the function of the fourth estate and these news companies are probably one of the best poised, financially and legally, to actually do something other than bend the knee.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

Corporate media are owned by the oligarchs for whom fascism serves. Fascism is a false revolution that keeps the capitalist class in power.

Michael Parenti, Backshirts and Reds:

Divested of its ideological and organizational paraphernalia, fascism is nothing more than a final solution to the class struggle, the totalistic submergence and exploitation of democratic forces for the benefit and profit of higher financial circles.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah but they're controlled by the same people, and this is profitable for them.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is why orgs like ProPublica, Assigned Media, etc are such a gift.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are not a gift, journalism costs money. Donate.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

They’re for sure more worthy of the cash than the no stones Rolling Stone.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How could American news organizations do anything but bend the knee? They're all owned by the oligarchy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Nonprofit news groups and reputable independent journalists are the answer to that, and they’re already out there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

When the public can’t afford to pay for journalists’ salaries, the journalists no longer work for the public.

It’s the same with politicians.

It’s hard to blame them, honestly. Do you go independent and starve, and ultimately fail to get your message through to anyone? Or do you play the game, stay alive, and hope you get a chance to pivot someday?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Nazi Salute = Roman Salute It's like saying you were using a Hindu (or whatever, I'm not a religious scholar) swastika.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

Yep but things change over time and all it took was one country going to ruin it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It appears to be deliberately playing with salutes that shouldn't be used.

I forget the exact origins of the swastika, but I believe it was Hindu ~~& it meant "blessing".~~ It was a sacred symbol, then adopted by the Nazis.

The Internet is a thing, so let's review & (re)learn together. The swastika meant either "conducive to well-being" or "good luck & prosperity".

It wasn't just for Buddhism & Hindu; the swastika weaseled its way into many European religious sects & found in early Byzantine & Christian artwork.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

The swastika is also found in petroglyphs made by indigenous peoples around the American Southwest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

With swastikas it’s the tilt that makes it the evil one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Jains I believe used the swastika but I think it was reversed

It may have been a symbol for ahimsa which is nonviolence I can’t remember and too tired to look it up.