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[-] [email protected] 152 points 1 year ago

I know I've seen some articles on this but I can't seem to find them again. There were studies done where they asked self identified right wing people to agree or disagree with political statements.

People were very likely to disagree with a statement like "I support universal healthcare", but very likely to agree with statements like "I support laws which would ensure no taxpayer would enter into medical debt for obtaining necessary medical care". Essentially, if you just described socialist ideology, without using the common words for it, a large amount of right wing people completely agreed with it.

[-] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago

I remember seeing the same things a while back. This is why I always explain what I believe before I use the common words for it.

[-] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They don't form opinions so much as inherit them from authoritarians via social pressure.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

And the media. Yes I’m looking at you, Murdoch hacks.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This has been my anecdotal experience as well. Most of the time when I ask my Republican friends their opinions on specific policies I find that their views are very populist leaning toward socialist. They just happen to also be motivated by fear and easily swayed by propaganda and will readily vote against their own interests in exchange for a false sense of security.

They are then confused and frustrated when the scumbags they voted for do exactly what they said they would do and it turns out badly.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

What happens when you ask them such a policy, then ask them to tell you what they think the positives and negatives of that policy would be.

Only to then call it by the name they were conditioned to hate?

Would they become angry? Start rationalizing against the points they just made? Or accept their hate isn't justified?

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I've noticed the same in conversations. When I talk about socialist theory, people agree 100%, but as soon as you say a buzz word it's, "Now I don't want full socialism!"

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

That could easily be assumed as an endorsement of lower health care costs, not universal health care.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

But right wing also oppose government interventions to lower those prices. And no, the market will not fix itself. Some things are not bound to laws of supply and demand. When your kid is on the operation table, you’re not going to tell him « hey sorry it’s too expensive to keep you around, we’re putting you down ».

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Let me just call some other hospitals, surgeons, and anesthesiologists to price shop when my kid needs surgery.

Nevermind the fact you're further limited by the network decided by the insurance provider you don't get to choose...

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

You're right, they're more concerned with results rather than solutions.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Americans are the most propagandized people on Earth.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

More than the CCP? More than Russia? More than North Korea? Please.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Yes. The difference is that its corporations doing the the majority of the propagandizing rather than the government directly. But propaganda is propaganda.

[-] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago

Maybe not North Korea, but the other two? Easily.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

How can you possibly say that when the CCP exerts such tight control over the parts of the Internet mainlanders are allowed to see?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's authoritarianism. You don't see the CCP edging closer to a civil war based on propagated polarising. AFAIK, that's never been achieved in human history. I'm sure it's unlikely to happen, but between all the international targeting from Russia, China, etc. and then the US's own media and governments, the US is soaked in propaganda more than anywhere else. Absolutely surrounded by it.

But this is the interesting part. The more someone is propagated, the less likely they are to realise it.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

America doesn't even need to do that. It just convinces people to not trust anything that doesn't come from pre-approved sources and that works well enough.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That’s it - the stupidest thing I’ve read yet today

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That is what a propagandized American would say ...

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