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Palestinian student stripped of UK visa after Gaza remarks wins human rights appeal (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Although I think Palestine should be an independant country, if it was not part of the apartheid state of israel, they would have full control over their own borders.

It is not the same as a border check specifically since it's part of the same country, hence why Israel is an apartheid state.

You both are really close to understanding the problem here, you just have to dig a bit deeper.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement#:~:text=Israel%20enforces%20restrictions%20on%20the,usage%20of%20roads%20by%20Palestinians.

Read this whole article, and actually read it for real, don't skim it and pretend. It's insane to compare it to any kind of international border because it simply isn't.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Gaza strip was part of Egypt till the six days war. Egypt refused to take it back. Israel refused to pass law expending their border to include Gaza strip and in 2005 made it illegal for their citizens be stay there.

What in this chain of events makes you think they are the same country?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Despite the Israeli disengagement, Gaza is still considered occupied by Israel under international law.[20][21] The current blockade prevents people and goods from freely entering or leaving the territory, leading to Gaza often being called an "open-air prison".[22][23] The UN, as well as at least 19 human-rights organizations, have urged Israel to lift the blockade.[24] Israel has justified its blockade on the strip with wanting to stop flow of arms, but Palestinians and rights groups say it amounts to collective punishment and exacerbates dire living conditions. Prior to the Israel–Hamas war, Hamas had said that it did not want a military escalation in Gaza partially to prevent exacerbating the humanitarian crisis after the 2021 conflict.[25] A tightened blockade since the start of the Israel–Hamas war has contributed to an ongoing famine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip#:~:text=The%20territory%20has%20been%20under%20Israeli%20occupation%20since%201967.&text=De%20facto%20administered%20by%20Hamas,IDF%20since%2027%20October%202023.

Having administration privileges while being blockaded is different then being an actual independant country. They couldn't even build ports or access to most of their waters for fishing.

None of this is defendable. Take a hard look at the behavior you are making excuses for. Israel seriously sucks.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Israel left Gaza in 2005, and placed no blockade. Hamas to power in 2007 and broke all past agreements with Israel and started to launch rockets into Israel. This lead to the blockade.

The civilian population is no shield against a blockade.

If you started to fire your gun on my home at random hours I would have locked your door from the outside and set your home on fire with, or without, your family inside. This is common sense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Hamas to power in 2007 and broke all past agreements with Israel and started to launch rockets into Israel. This lead to the blockade.

Hamas seized power after a civil war, brought on by an attempted coup by the PA backed by the US and Israel. This attempted coup led to the Hamas attacks on Israel. They did not randomly break all agreements and started shooting rockets.

Hamas was always deeply unhappy with the Israeli presence, but they hadn't become really openly violent before that point.

If you started to fire your gun on my home at random hours I would have locked your door from the outside and set your home on fire with, or without, your family inside. This is common sense.

What the fuck is this insane statement. Call the police?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Hamas seized power after a civil war, brought on by an attempted coup by the PA backed by the US and Israel. This attempted coup led to the Hamas attacks on Israel. They did not randomly break all agreements and started shooting rockets.

Hamas was always deeply unhappy with the Israeli presence, but they hadn't become really openly violent before that point.

Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel and death to all Jews. They showed previously to 2006 that those are not empty words. In 2006, after the elections, they refused to respect previews agreements Israel made with the PA and then they dug a tunnel into Israel and kidnapped an Israeli soldier.

All the while not paying salaries to the PA defence forces and keeping a private military body.

There was no coup, no one wanted to continue working with them after that. So the president of the PA replaced the prime minister.

What the fuck is this insane statement. Call the police?

There is no police for international matters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 35 minutes ago

"In an April 2008 article in Vanity Fair magazine, the journalist David Rose published confidential documents, apparently originating from the US State Department, which would prove that the United States collaborated with the PNA and Israel to attempt the violent overthrow of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, and that Hamas pre-empted the coup." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)#:~:text=In%20an%20April,empted%20the%20coup.

You have some reading to do.

There is no police for international matters.

There is, it's called a UN Peacekeeping Force.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

You are justifying an apartheid state, none of what you are saying is disproving the fact that Israel is one.

The civilian population is no shield against a blockade.

The civilian population shouldn't have to deal with a blockade, indiscriminate bombing, apartheid or genocide.

That's the point. This isn't taking care of business or self defense, it's ethnic cleansing.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You are mixing the west bank and Gaza 🤦‍♂️

There is no apartheid in Gaza, as no part of Gaza is under Israeli management. Israel placed a blockade on Gaza from the sea (and not from Egypt) because Hamas was firing rockets (indiscriminately BTW) into it civilian population.

There is an apartheid in the West Bank with the Jewish variation of Nazim running the show. That should stop. But that happens in the West Bank, where less than 6% of Israeli live.

The 7th of October attack was imitated from Gaza, by Hamas, which see both Israel and Fatah as enemies (Hamas throw Fatah people off roof tops in 2007, that how they got into power).

You are justifying an islamfascist body asymmetrical war on a neighboring country. By mixing geogrphy.

I'm not sure if you are troll, or mentally retarded.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Despite the Israeli disengagement, Gaza is still considered occupied by Israel under international law.

Open air prison, apartheid and genocide. Go shill for netanyahu somewhere else.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck Netanyahu, fuck his Nazi government, fuck Hamas, fuck every Hamas supporter, fuck every person that cheered on the 7th of October, fuck every person that went to burn houses in the west bank, and fuck you, for spreading hate and thinking (you are bad at that part) that a highly complex conflict that goes back hundreds of years is one sided.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

hey, they never said it was one-sided. the comments above were merely refusing to acknowledge israel as an apartheid state… it can both be true that israel is an apartheid state committing genocide, AND that hamas launched indiscriminate rockets into israel and both those things can be indefensible

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

The person above you claimed I work for Netanyahu. Hell no.