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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

What's the antidote for that then?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago)

At this point the Israelis have made the two state solution impossible because of their settling of the best lands of the West Bank in such a way that makes a contiguous truly independent Palestinian state impossible.

So the only way forward is Democracy with safety and equal rights for all, Jews, Muslims, Christians, and others from the river to the sea.

The Israeli right of the last 30 years has basically made it a choice between genocide and apartheid and the end of Zionism as we know it.

So there.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Stop making violence the only thing you'll react to in any way? Or indeed, stop responding to peaceful resistance with violence (eg the civil rights marches in Northern Ireland).

It might seem like Palestine has been a hopeless mire forever, but there was a point in the 90s where the last reasonable leaders of both sides were coming together for a peaceful solution. Hamas and the Israeli right wing - the "both sides" of today - were on the fringe.

Then Yitzhak Rabin was killed by an Israeli right-winger, Israel inexplicably responded by killing a Hamas leader, Arab civilians were massacred at the Cave of Patriarchs by an American Israeli, and Hamas responded with more bombings, Yassar Arafat died under siege by the IDF, Hamas took control of Gaza, and well, here we are.

The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin is probably as impactful to history of that of Archduke Ferdinand, but seems to be being forgotten.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 minutes ago

Rabin was murdered by a Likud fanatic with personal ties to Mossad. Israel disputes any involvement of Mossad. Before the murder, Likud and other fascists called for the murder of Rabin and depicted him as new Hitler. After the murder of Rabin Netanyahu took power. While there were supposed center or progressive governments in between Netanyahus reigns, they all continued the annexation of more Palestinian land to make a two state solution or any solution except ethnic cleansing and genocide impossible.

It is important to understand that all of Israels society has been poisoned into various degrees of fascism over the past 30 years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Help - provide food, housing, education. Stop dehumanizing people. Help them build a peaceful future. Everyone will benefit from that.

But that would require actual good will.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Your fatal assumption is that the Palestinians want peace too. They were given pipes to create water lines, they turned the pipes into rockets. You can't have piece when neither side wants it.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This is what most westerners don't understand. The Gazans were given everything they need in order to create a better future for themselves. Instead of investing in infrastructure and education they went all in on digging terror tunnels, manufacturing rockets and brainwashing their children.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 minutes ago

Yeah... Except this is total bullshit. There was an airport built in Gaza. Israel bombed it the next month to prevent Palestinians from ever developing outside of Israels occupational pressure.

The amount of food and building materials amd other essentials being allowed into Gaza was deliberately limited to slowly degrade the living conditions in a way easily ignorable by the West.

The smuggling Tunnels into Egypt were a great source of income for Hamas, by allowing people to smuggle in basic commodities.

Meanwhile Israels "mowing the lawn" always revolved around slowly destroying Gaza and not allowing for rebuilding. The difference now is that they removed all restraint as the US and allies are allowing the total annihilation of all infrastructure, ethnic cleansing and genocide with impunity.