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The amount of mental gymnastics and presumptions about me here is absolutely astounding. Me not donating a kidney to you is not the same as me ripping you apart from limb to limb. The equivalent would be, just say a pregnant woman would need to take a medical treatment to prevent a miscarriage. Do I think it should be illegal for her to refuse the treatment? No! As letting nature play out is not actively intervening and murdering someone.
Also, I hear atheists flip flop between "we can have morals too, even though we believe that there is no god" to "you are only holding this moral about life being worth something because of your belief in god" and it's astonishing.
I still believed abortion was wrong before I took the Bible seriously as a guideline for my life. I also believed in other things that aren't biblical at the time. I challenged the social norm and still came to the conclusion that religion aside, it's immoral. The only influence religion has on my opinions surrounding abortion is that I believe that morality exists and that human life is sacred. Which is why I am also against the death penalty and I am against refusing to help people who are dying.
You are misinterpreting my words. And it's hard to claim not intentionally.
This is the same as forcing a mother to donate her body and long term health to birth another being. You have no right to intimate her into dong so. And the law has decided the being has no rights until 24 weeks. Where evidence indicates it can survive without the mother.
Everything you provide argument wise is based on your personal definition of when a collection of cells is human. You do not have the ability to make that judgement. Nor do I and nor has science. But we do have the ability to judge when it is no longer a parasite (hard luck if you don't like the term, nor do I. But it is technically correct) depending on the will of another being to live. And our laws consider its right to out weight the mothers at that point. Is it up for debate. Of course. But that is in no way the topic of this thread.
Your very first response to me came back with bullshit scientific reasons why my claim your definition of human was unscientific. I have attempted to point out your misapplication of those facts. They are not a scientific answer. They are facts that fail to proove the cells are as you claim an independent human life.
And as I keep saying. While you outright choose to ignore it as you have no answer.
Non-off them give you or anyone who thinks as you do. The right to intimidate people following the law as it is now. That is the only reason the laws announced here have been created. And the only thing those laws stop you doing.
You're acting as if pregnancy just randomly occurs like an illness. It does not. I wouldn't believe in a religion that doesn't have evidence to back it up, so your presumption that I would still doesn't make any sense. Offering support to a distressed person about to jump off a bridge is okay, so why isn't it okay to offer support to a distressed person about to allow someone to murder her child? Both believe that what they're going to do is the right thing.
Your acting like you have a point.
You dont.
And I never said anything about uour religion. It has no officialnopinion on abortion. And the bible actually gives guides to do it.
But it is freaking clear you have no idea what evidence actully is.
But non of your opinions give you the right to intimidate people rather then try to change parlimentary votes. And that is the subjeect of this law.