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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I hate Janeway, and the main reason is because whether or not she has any respect for the Prime Directive depends solely on "Will obeying this get my crew back home?"

If no, then yes If yes, then no

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So you're saying, her prime directive was getting her crew home safely?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

I love Janeway to death, it's just that she was put into the unenviable position of making tough choices for the needs of the many... or the brew.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, her prime directive was keeping her crew stranded and actively finding any pretentious moral excuse to pretend to justify it

If the show was realistic, she would have died very early on during a mutiny.... and Chakotay wouldn't be one of the most shocking racist characters I've seen in an 90's/2000's era TV show

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry, can you elaborate on the first paragraph? It's been many years since I watched voyager.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Basically, Janeway would often get an offer "Do this and we'll send you and your crew back to where you come from." or a warning "Don't do this or we won't be able to send you and your crew back where you came from!"

And it always ended in Janeway going "I can't do this, it goes against everything I stand for!" or "But I MUST do this, not doing it goes against everything I stand for."

Even if the thing she "MUST DO or her crew won't go back home" is in direct contradiction with what she "MUST NOT DO or her crew can't go back her." last episode

Basically Janeway kept flip-flopping on her morals to the point where it legitimately seemed like she was TRYING to leave her crew stranded in a territory where she was actively making enemies of pretty much every faction she came across.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Janeway makes the most decisions I disagree with out of any captain. Like for example,

Tap for spoilertrying in futility to save that last member of species 8472 from the Hirogen at the expense of her entire crew's lives. That fucker wanted you all dead and has only given up because it was hunted so long, why did she risk so many lives to save it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

She did have some HFY moments though, like when those phased aliens were experimenting in the crew so she ordered the ship through The middle of those weird stars and killed them all.

Oh you want to make me crazy? I'll show you motherfuckers crazy. Imma channel my inner John Creighton you bastards.