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The territorial violation by China is the latest in a series of events amplifying tensions between Beijing and Japan.

A Chinese military surveillance plane breached Japanese airspace off the country’s southwestern coast on Monday, marking what Japan’s defense ministry described as the first known incursion by China’s military into its territorial airspace.

According to a ministry official, a Chinese reconnaissance aircraft briefly entered Japanese territory near Nagasaki Prefecture around 11:30 a.m. on Monday. In response, Japan’s Self-Defense Force put fighter jets on high alert and issued a warning to the Chinese aircraft.

While Chinese planes frequently appear in international airspace around Japan, this incident represents the first confirmed entry of a military aircraft into Japan’s territorial airspace.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The technological advancements of SAM have basically made speed and altitude mean next to nothing.

Show me the American-made hypersonic air defense missile.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s called patriot. It’s shot down multiple Russian Kinzhals in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean there's material evidence out there that pretty well proves it, and Russia has ceased to claim that they're fake reports.

If the kinzhal missiles were actually "hypersonic missiles" that could maneuver at speed, then yeah they'd be hard to intercept. However, the kinzhal are actually just missiles with a ramjet, meaning they hold a fairly normal flight trajectory and can be targeted by systems like the patriot.

Shooting a bullet with another bullet is basically what all anti air systems do, the only thing that changes is the scaling in the math.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Russia has ceased to claim that they’re fake reports

If I had a dollar for every time some hack talk radio announcer claimed "They're not even denying it anymore, folks!"

Shooting a bullet with another bullet is basically what all anti air systems do

The Iron Dome is regularly penetrated by bottle rockets and radio shack drones. This was supposed to be the top of the line in anti-air defense. But sure, Boeing is sitting on something that's way better.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Doubt all you want, but you don’t have to meet a hypersonic missile where it is, only where it will be. They aren’t very maneuverable at their maximum velocities which means it’s possible to shoot them down with a slower intercept missile provided the battery is in a favorable location to make an intercept in time.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

you don’t have to meet a hypersonic missile where it is, only where it will be

Just fire the bullet to hit the other bullet, sure. Very easy and we do it successfully all the time.

it’s possible to shoot them down with a slower intercept missile

Theoretically.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can watch this happen all the time in practice with slower missiles with the iron dome. The math is the same.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

The math is the same.

Lolz. Lmao, even.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This kind of pro-Russian cope was much more justifiable 2 and a half years ago. Now that reality has unveiled the decrepit, incompetent reality that lies beneath the propaganda, it's just sad. I hope this cheerleading is just a halfhearted effort on your part (or that you're doing it for a few rubles per post), otherwise this is pathetic.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Now that reality has unveiled the decrepit, incompetent reality that lies beneath the propaganda

I mean, we're saying this with a Boeing Starliner stranded at the ISS. But sure, America has a super-secret anti-hypersonic missile system that's just like the Iron Dome (nobody ask how Hamas was piercing the Most Sophisticated Defense System in the world with a box full of scraps, btw) only 10x better.

I hope this cheerleading is just a halfhearted

This whole thread is nothing but cheerleading. You're even fan-casting the existence of anti-missile systems the US admits it doesn't have.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You must have me confused with somebody else. I'm the one saying hypersonic missiles are pointless. The US toyed with them 50 years ago, and AD was obviously much less advanced than it is today. Not only that, but AFAIK the Sprint Missile is still the fastest of all time, so by your own standard where more speed makes for a better missile, you should be cheering for the USA.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

hypersonic missiles are pointless

An even bolder claim.

the Sprint Missile is still the fastest of all time

The theory behind the Sprint Missile was to deflect an ICBM with a nuclear blast. That's definitely a potential solution to a hypersonic missile attack, but I'm sure you can think of a few reasons why it didn't go into mass production.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My point is that the concept itself is antiquated. The US restarted their hypersonic missile programs a few years ago due to media and public pressure caused by Russian and Chinese propaganda about their wunderwaffen. It's one of those ideas like railguns that resurfaces every few decades and gets shelved again.

Er, actually, I take it back... Please report to your superiors that hypersonic missiles are the future, and that decadent westoids are terrified of them. Prioritise these programs at all costs (other than keeping the Kuznetsov afloat, because that is also very important).

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

the concept itself is antiquated

"Fast moving thing is hard to stop" goes straight back to antiquity, sure. But post-Cold War or mattered a lot less because we no longer had a first generation military adversary.

The US restarted their hypersonic missile programs a few years ago due to media and public pressure caused by Russian and Chinese propaganda

Yes, because the US media and the US MIC aren't joined at the hip. GE Aerospace was strong armed by Hulu, which was strong armed by TEMU and Rosneft in turn.

Please report to your superiors that hypersonic missiles are the future

Americans will spend their last billion dollars on one more new aircraft carrier rather than go to therapy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The only one positing that a missile defense system has to be 100% effective to be real is you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

a missile defense system has to be 100% effective to be real

It can be 0% effective, so long as it turns a profit. The best anti-air system is the one people simply think is effective.

It's the ultimate Bear Patrol. People will pay through the nose, convinced the shield is why they've never been hit.