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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Religion murdered these people.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (5 children)

The Hajj has been taking place over 1000 years. Hyper-aggro heatwaves in June is a new thing however. It wasn't religion, it was climate change.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Then the religion should adapt to the climate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Climate change is caused by religion, specifically capitalism

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yeah and all the communist states are super ecologically friendly, oh no you don't belive they are communist do you? Handy.

But let's imagine a perfectly communist society, are workers all able to heat their house? Able to travel freely? Enjoy hobbies? If you answered yes to these then your either going to need magic or energy.

You can't just pretend capitalism is responsible for everything bad, unchecked consumption can happen in any system as can over production, ecological destruction, and all sorts of potential problems. I would love to transition to a decent type of communism but I'm not going to pretend it'll fix the climate on its own.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah and all the communist states are super ecologically friendly

Historically, planned economies have had a better track record preserving ecologies and building sustainable infrastructure. That's largely because the economic planners deal with long-term timelines (five year plans being the standard) rather than quarterly business cycles.

When you're running a logging company and you have to ask where you're going to get your next batch of trees in five years or fifty years, you engage in more sustainable harvesting practices than a for-profit fly-by-night that only cares about growing the number of trees chopped down after every round of investment is depleted.

You can’t just pretend capitalism is responsible for everything bad

Capitalists do a much better job of scaling up industrial infrastructure rapidly, because they do fixate on the short term much more narrowly. Profit-driven practices have rapidly converted our coal-based electricity economy to a natural gas economy. And private speculation has created a booming industry for new technologies - from batteries to cryptocurrencies to LLMs.

But when you run up against the limits of your natural resource supplies, that rapid growth isn't an economic advantage anymore. You generate far more waste than your communist peers. You spark lots of international conflicts attempting to increase your rate of extraction. And you end up with a very top-heavy unprofessional administrative state, as power consolidates into the hands of financialized aristocrats with little real expertise in the businesses they administer.

In the modern moment, that produces a lot of problems directly attributable to capitalist business practices.

I would love to transition to a decent type of communism but I’m not going to pretend it’ll fix the climate on its own.

If the US were to adopt more Communist-championed energy, housing, and transportation policies, it would immediately benefit the global climate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

why are you suddenly attacking me lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

They all know the consequences and they think God will protect them from whatever.. Yeah, religion killed them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

The Hajj has been taking place over 1000 years.

With people dying on it, yeah. Religion is why they're making the trip to the desert

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah that would be a good story and support some preconceived notions but Mecca has always been incredibly hot, you can't just rewrite history to suit the message you want to send.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Precisely. Mecca has always been incredibly hot and yet pilgrims have not been dropping like flies. Ostensibly because over the centuries certain common religious/pilgrimage practices have helped them cope with the heat. But when climate change moves the needle to 11, those centuries old religious/pilgrimage practices no longer work to protect people.

That is the message I'm trying to send; what's yours?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Mecca has always been incredibly hot

What even is the difference between 40°C and 50°C? They're both "incredibly hot" aren't they? Quit your complaining.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I have no idea if you're joking or not.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago

So let me ask you. When some Russians stripped people of their clothes and made them march into the frozen tundra, do you really believe those Russians werent guilty of murder, it was all the tundra's fault?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When a skydiver died skydiving, do you really blame the pilot of the airplane that got him up there? These are adults who choose to believe in fairytales

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Did the pilot push them out without a parachute? Then yes.

If religion starts condemning people doing this, then they won't be responsible.