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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The challenge is that exclusion isn't necessarily the best way to shift views. People can and do change, particularly if you can encourage them to change their media diet or you can get somebody whom they respect to explicitly talk about climate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Changing the views of a conservative is a lost cause. Such efforts are the distraction that corporate polluters are paying big money to achieve. The goal is not to change their views, but to separate them from intelligent civilization. Let them live the way they demand to live. Poorly. If they become introspective and curious about the world, it is there for them to learn about. But that process comes from within. In the meantime, we must not be dragged down by conservatives. We should exclude them and move past them on a societal and commercial scale.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can sometimes shift people a bit. You don't get some sudden flip in position, but can move people a few notches along, at least when interacting with somebody as a peer, and not in a situation where they're just out to troll.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's very nice, but it will not be effective. This approach is the default approach for polite progressives and has failed for decades. The result is an environment where conservatives become more conservative despite the brief positive interactions.

The world's knowledge is available to them when they decide to seek it. Including them in conversations is only placating and distracting the progressive. It is not shifting anything substantial for the conservative.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It very much depends on context.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

In the context of modern conservatives, their entire worldview negates progress and caring about people. Decades of experience have proven that this is the case.