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submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Why does everyone suddenly seem to think it's ok to say the R word again? I feel like I hadn't heard it in years and suddenly everyone around me is using it, and I see it on Reddit all the time. Am I imagining it? Is anyone seeing this? I don't even know what to say when it's suddenly just everyone in a group and everyone acts like it's normal.

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[+] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm seriously not debating this with someone trying so hard to justify continuing to use intelligence based insults that they literally compare disabled people to Nazis (who are not, and never have been a marginalised and oppressed group like the disabled people they literally mass murdered. Fuck you) to try and make their logic work.

If you are actually willing and able to set your defensiveness and biases aside, feel free to read through the links I left in reply Vodulas, or continue to do your own research in to what disabled people have to say about the matter, not those who aren't directly impacted.

Either way, I am here to reassure a comrade, not philosophise with ableds about ableism, you either listen to disabled people and do your best to be an ally, or you don't, that's your choice.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Whoa, I was not "comparing disabled people to Nazis", I said that Nazis should be an oppressed and marginalized group.

what disabled people have to say about the matter

I literally was quoting the links you recommended to read!

trying so hard to justify continuing to use intelligence based insults

There is a disparity in YOUR SOURCES between how they are discussing slurs, and I am asking you what YOU believe, between those sources, is the answer:

Affinity is taking an absolute stance against intelligence-based slurs in any form
Cultrface is directly offering intelligence-based slurs like "ignorant" and "inept" as acceptable alternatives to 'stupid'
Genderbitch is differentiating between "oppressive" slurs and non-oppressive ones, and saying only the power dynamics matter

I've removed my first comment, since it was too unproductive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

fwiw you've conveyed the same general question i have about the situation, albeit far more eloquently than i would have been able to

i am totally down to stop using words that disabled people find offensive, but i need alternatives to express that someone is being needlessly / purposely ignorant or otherwise harmful and is generally worthy of scorn and contempt

which isn't to say that providing that is the onus on disabled people (it's really not, their only real obligation is to express their experiences)... but it does make it a lot easier to action on the request

it's also kind of interesting to approach this conversation both as an outsider, but also as someone who these words do apply to in some capacity