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Rant: Star Trek writers really need to be more careful about what living scientists they choose to reference. (www.thestand.org)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Meant to post this in main star trek community, not ten forward, d'oh.

If this is the wrong place for this, I apologize in advance and it's okay if it gets removed.

First, it was bad enough for Elon Musk references, but now...

The real life Paul Stamets, for which the character is named, hired union busters at his business, Fungi Perfecti.

https://www.thestand.org/2024/05/fungi-perfecti-workers-joining-together-with-liuna-252/

But rather than recognizing and respecting these workers’ right to join together free from management interference, the union reports that Fungi Perfecti has responded by hiring the union-busting firms of Littler Mendelson P.C. and the American Labor Group. These firms represent clients such as Amazon, Apple, Google, and Starbucks, all of which have faced multiple Unfair Labor Practice (ULP) charges with the National Labor Relations Board for illegally interfering in their employees’ freedom to unionize.

These firms have attempted to slow the momentum of Fungi Perfecti workers’ organizing drive with typical union-busting tactics like “unrequired” meetings that are heavily encouraged.

“ALG has been distributing anti-union propaganda that, in some cases, are outright lies,” said Derek Sewell, a warehouse worker for Fungi Perfecti. “But we will not be discouraged. It’s just unfortunate that they are spending thousands of dollars on union-busting to try to discourage us rather than investing in making Fungi Perfecti and better and more sustainable place to work.”

Anyway, my opinion is firmly that if they're going to make references, it needs to be about people who are already dead, whose negatives are known, and who can't come back and fuck your reference up by becoming a horrible person as your life goes on.

Because these living people keep revealing how Un-Star-Trek they are, imho.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The point is about making better decisions in the future, not an expectation that existing problematic choices will be magially undone.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

And I'm saying that is not something done even when picking dead people. Read what Freud did to Emma Eckstein sometime. I doubt whoever wrote Phantasms was aware of it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Having to research the entire biography of a historical figure before putting them in a TV show is a bit much. And if you're only going to accept angelic historical figures with no known wrongdoing, the pickings will be slim. Mister Rogers can only be depicted in so many shows before we run out of ideas...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

That was kind of my point, but also I would say that A) Emma Eckstein isn't some secret, it's just not talked about much and B) that's a hell of a lot worse than what the real Paul Stamets is involved with. The only real difference is that Paul Stamets hasn't been dead long enough for a writer in the 1990s to not realize what a colossal piece of shit he actually was.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Freud was at the time under the influence of his friend and collaborator Wilhelm Fliess, an ear, nose, and throat specialist. Fliess, whom Freud had called "the Kepler of biology", had developed theories today considered pseudoscientific, including the belief that sexual problems were linked to the nose by a supposed nasogenital connection. Fliess had been treating "nasal reflex neurosis" by cauterizing the inside of the nose under local anesthesia. Fliess conjectured that if temporary cauterization was useful, surgery would yield more permanent results. He began operating on the noses of patients he diagnosed with the disorder, including Eckstein and Freud. His surgery proved disastrous, resulting in profuse, recurrent nasal bleeding; Fliess had left a half-metre of gauze in Eckstein's nasal cavity, the subsequent removal of which left her permanently disfigured. Though aware of Fliess's culpability, Freud fled from the remedial surgery in horror, he could only bring himself to delicately intimate in his correspondence to Fliess the nature of his disastrous role and in subsequent letters maintained a tactful silence on the matter or else returned to the face-saving topic of Eckstein's hysteria. Freud ultimately reasserted his full confidence in Fliess's competence, making Eckstein responsible for the catastrophe by concluding that her post-operative haemorrhages were "wish-bleedings", caused by her hysterical longing for the affection of others.

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