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[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Is there some lore about this I don't know?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

There is no C++ allowed in the Linux kernel and Linus has gone on several major rants about how terrible a language it is.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago
[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

There’s assembly and makefiles too

Less of a joke answer, there has been work to allow Rust bindings for drivers.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

According to the github analysis, the kernel repository is:

  • C 98.3%
  • Assembly 0.7%
  • Shell 0.4%
  • Makefile 0.2%
  • Python 0.2%
  • Perl 0.1%
  • Other 0.1%

So yeah, its basically all C, plus a tiny bit of assembly for very low level bootstrapping and some helper scripts.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Lots of core UNIX and Linux projects are. C++ is not liked by a lot of low level FOSS community. I think Rust is going to get further into these areas. I know C++ well but prefer C. I know plenty of others who feel the same.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I've read that they are writing parts of the kernel in Rust

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Yes, I think Rust is a better C++ and will replace it in many places. Though all three will be around for ever to be honest.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Yes, first Rust code was released in 6.6 I think and MS also started implementing Rust code in the Windows kernel.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Rust is certainly interesting. I think it's the C++ we need.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

”C++ is a horrible language. It's made more horrible by the fact that a lot of substandard programmers use it, to the point where it's much much easier to generate total and utter crap with it. Quite frankly, even if the choice of C were to do nothing but keep the C++ programmers out, that in itself would be a huge reason to use C.”

http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linus

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Torvalds just really dislikes C++. He's gone on the record saying that he thinks it's just not a good language. In his own words "C++ is just a waste, there is no design at all, just adding some scum on top of C."

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago
[-] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

In the specific use case of kernel programming, maybe. But the Standard Template Library is awesome.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

The STD is maybe the only good thing C++ has over C, and even that is awful compared to other language’s standard libraries.

I can’t name another good thing C++ has. Maybe templates. C++’s reliance on inheritance for polymorphism is awful (should’ve gone with interfaces/traits).

Not to mention the mess with all the different types of constructors that must always be implemented.

It’s just a bunch of bad design choices added on top of an old outdated language.

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