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Imagine a world in which Congressman Jamie Raskin attempts to deliver a speech on “Democracy, Autocracy, and the Threat to Reason in the 21st Century” and is unable to deliver his remarks because Trump supporters drown him out, and authorities justify the disruption as an exercise in “democracy.” Democrats attempting to raise money for the opposition are surrounded on the street by Trumpists shouting “fuck Joe Biden” and abusing them with racial epithets.

These are the kind of scenes that come to mind when we imagine the authoritarian culture of a second Trump term. They are also events that have not only occurred but have grown commonplace. This pattern of behavior is illiberal and dangerous.

The twist, of course, is that the mobs shutting down the opposition to Trump are not Trump supporters, or at least not right-wing Trump supporters. Pro-Palestinian activists have set out to disrupt Democratic Party officials from speaking and raising funds to defeat Trump.

You are not supposed to criticize us wojak-nooo

But the problem is not one of mere efficacy. Drowning out speakers and disrupting exercises in politics, regardless of its cause or the target, is wrong on principle.

Sir pls, you are not letting me finish wojak-nooo

The most elemental premise of liberalism is that politics should be governed by a uniform set of rules or norms that apply to everybody, regardless of the content of their beliefs. Over the last decade, an increasingly visible fault line has opened up on the left between political liberals and more radical activists.

The illiberal left defines politics as a conflict between oppressor and victim and does not believe the former deserves the same rights as the latter.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (16 children)

It re-creates the same divide, and will go full circle

[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago

the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron"

[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It won't, though? The notion that trying to make things better will actually make things the same, except worse, is a liberal dogma.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That's why liberals don't try. Liberal politicians don't try because it benefits their lifestyle

[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 months ago

Unity for the sake of capitalism is no unity at all. It's a false peace.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You are a moron attempting to sound profound and intelligent. You believe "if the oppressed are elevated, everyone else will be persecuted by them", you realize how this reflects on you, right? Typical reactionary, fearing retribution from those they've trodden on for so long.

Speak less.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

wow you're so wise, maybe you could explain what are the base and superstructure?

all states are class dictatorships but only one class wants to abolish class entirely

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

More over, only one class actually can abolish class, as the other classes positions are fully beholden to it's production.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago

Do tell, how does it "re-create" the same divide? Define this "full circle" that seems to dominate your thinking

Also are you asserting that no one can challenge any divide whatsoever because according to you "It re-create the same divide" is that how you think human history operates?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago

Yes, you're right, we should ignore it and seek no redress, then everything will be just.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

There's always going to be divides, dipshit

You can't "utopian centre path where everyone is happy and compromises uwu" your way out of politics

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

in the absence of a liberatory education the oppressed seek only to become the oppressor

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Those are definitely words.

pigpoop

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Can you name a single instance of going "full circle" in human history?

How's that "anarchist" instance going?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Can you name a single instance of going "full circle" in human history?

Well Br*tain is currently ruled by an Indian checkmate tankie

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Welcome to dialectics. Now let's start with Heraclitus all the way to Hegel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago