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[–] [email protected] 229 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Never buy L.L. Bean again, gotcha.

[–] [email protected] 144 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

To be honest, the people who actually run LL Bean have written open letters distancing them and the company from Linda and her views.

They are (were) stuck with her earning dividends, but she didn't have actual support from or much influence on the company.

She mostly just took dividends, hocked her lobster rolls and created a PR problem for the company.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I suspect she hawked lobster rolls vs. taking them to a pawn shop.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The money the company made, whether the company liked it or not, benefited causes that oppressed or sought oppression of one's fellow man. I don't care how "nice" and "good" and "distant" the Nazi fundraiser is from your core business. Your core business still in practice supports those causes financially. It's difference without distinction. Stop buying Nazi stormtrooper coats because they are "Just so fluffy!"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The thing is they had no way to stop paying shareholder dividends to a her.

Currently, there's no law on the books that let's a company not sell shares or not pay dividends to a Nazi. I wish there was, but there isn't.

They did the best they could, which was saying "this person and their views are not held, endorsed or supported by the company and its staff and other directors."

This is very different from, eg Hobby Lobby or MyPillow, where the company endorsed the views of and is actively run by Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying don't pay the Nazi from the company perspective. I'm saying as a consumer I shouldn't support this company because the dividends go to a Nazi.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Fair, but I suppose the concern is that doing so punishes every non-Nazi owner, manager or worker.

If I started a company, went public, and a fascist dipshit bought 10% of that company shares on the open market, do I deserve to be punished despite my putting out a press release that says I don't agree with said fascist dipshit, but I can't do anything about them because of contract law?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

But they just said this Nazi lady had nothing to do with them other than collecting share dividends. I don’t understand your comment based on that?

[–] [email protected] 55 points 7 months ago (3 children)

They were amazing once, but that was sort of a long time ago now.

They had super high quality with an unbelievably good warranty. Basically, most of the store was buy it for life. They dropped quality and then the warranty followed. Now it's mostly just a familiar name.

Makes sense they're trumptards

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

List of chairmen

  • Leon Gorman (2001–2013)
  • Shawn Gorman (since May 2013)

List of CEOs

  • Leon L. Bean (1912–1967)
  • Leon Gorman (1967–2001)
  • Christopher McCormick (2001–2015); first non-family CEO
  • Stephen Smith (since November 2015)

This largely lines up with my experience with their quality over time.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

LL bean used to be the shit in the early 00s, now it's basically overpriced Walmart garbage

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I remember learning about LL Bean from Seinfeld and asking why people like it. Later when I wasn't living paycheck to paycheck and started buying quality goods, I learned that their famous warranty was gone. Which sucks because I'm all about BIFL.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is why I switched to Patagonia, quality stuff, great customer service, great warranty.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And way better ownership evidently

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah from what I’ve heard it’s owned by someone who genuinely wants to make the world less awful. Whether or not that’s true idk, but I’ll always prioritize a company that acknowledges and claims to attempt to minimize environmental impact over one owned by bigots

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It was owned by someone like that, he gave the company away and it's now owned by a bunch of non-profits oriented around environmentalism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

They also tell their workers to go outside when the surfing is nice according to a podcast I heard once.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Yep. Wish I could have gotten in 20 years ago but was broke back then.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That was the lesson in 2017, idk who the heirs are now or what their politics are

[–] [email protected] 58 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I hadn't heard about this one. New Balance was the big one for me since they also heavily donated to Trump.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago (2 children)

We need an updated list of those companies. I don’t readily see a current one.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Agreed! Hard to keep that curated and not commented on by every angry person out there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

https://www.goodsuniteus.com/

They have mobile apps too and you can see who contributes to which political party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

This is awesome thank you!!

[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I actually hadn't heard about New Balance!

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago (4 children)

this is the first I’m hearing about LL bean and New balance, after having just bought a LL bean vest, and new balances, feeling like a fool now.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago

May as well get a MAGA hat at this point /s

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Just don’t buy Goya food for dinn- oh you did, didn’t you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You used to be able to scam LL Bean by buying beat up old shit and taking advantage of their lifetime warranty, but they've limited it now

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Jeez what does a shit go for these days

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Did they? Damn, they're the only shoes I've tried that fit my flat feet.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Try out some urban boots or even just a casual "dress" shoe. In my experience, having the hard, lifted heel makes all the difference in the world to your back and other things. It made my knees better, my feet don't hurt, and I don't deal with daily back pain anymore. I have tennis shoes/sneakers/etc at home but the are only for exercise. For walking around, going to work, etc., it's always a pair of boots.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have flat feet and Hokas are pretty good.

Now I just wait for someone to come along and tell me they support Cthulhu or something for president.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

To be honest, Cthulhu might be an improvement. Eldritch horrors generally aren't beholden to special interest groups.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

FUCK. They're the only ones I've found that make a 6E width shoe that actually fits me (flat, super wide feet with massive instep. my feet are basically bricks.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Boots! There's a boot that will fit you. Boots changed my life.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I do need to make the switch. I had boots for work at something (nonslip and it's all that would fit) but food service destroyed them. Just very hesitant to drop that kinda cash (tennis shoes alone run ne $200+). Red wing still any good? Heard mixed things about them these days, and specific product lines being good/bad

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I like my red wings but I can’t speak on the company’s politics.

In general find a smaller company and ask how resoleable they are. A great boot can be repaired for life instead of replaced. They can be uncomfortable to break in but once you do they’re amazing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My boss turned me on to these:

https://thursdayboots.com

They are great. I wear them everywhere and am on my second pair now. I'd say you get 2 - 5 years of heavy, daily use but they probably aren't for work in a woodshop or whatnot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I wish online shopping was an option for me, I can't justify the money on things I can't try on in-person sadly. Looks like they only go up to 3E width anyway.

They do look nice though!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

NB seems to be Trump's target market, lol. Or at least I tend to associate them with old people.

Vans? Now, that would be a shocker.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

She’s dead now though