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Netanyahu only sharpened the resolve of the Palestinian public. He banned peaceful protest, he punished Palestinians for boycotts or asking the UN for help. He sidelined moderates and undermined the PA. When you get rid of moderates and nonviolent protest, you can’t be surprised when people turn to violence.
May I ask what non-violent protest are you talking about?
The 2018-2019 nonviolent protests in Gaza that the Israeli military fired on and killed 226.
Are you referring to the March of return when they literally illegally crossed borders of Israel?
Israel creates racist apartheid laws and illegally starved Gazans in a blockade and you’re mad that people nonviolently broke some of those laws in an attempt to demand their human rights?
Human rights violations and unjust imprisonment of an entire population are not something anyone should be expected to just “obey.” Next you’ll be telling me Jews were breaking laws when they tried to escape the Warsaw ghetto.
First of all, Israel left Gaza in 2005. They no longer govern it. In addition, they have been allowing huge amounts of cash flowing into the region and they are even unable to impose a full blockade considering the border with Egypt. If Palestinians are so peace-loving individuals, why the relations with Egpyt are far from ideal, too? Hence why it is mostly Hamas responsible for the situation in Gaza.
So yes, a response is fully excepted if members of a different state (that by the way wants to exterminate Israel) illegally cross the border.
No. Israel pulled its settlements out of Gaza but they land and sea blockaded it since 2007 and turned it into an open air prison and kept bombing it. Israel controls all the borders, including the Egypt crossings due to their treaty with Egypt that allows them veto power over who can cross from Egypt.
Egypt is a dictatorship that mistreats minorities, if you want to compare Israel favorably to them then be my guest.
It literally cannot control the Egypt border considering the fact they are not in. If Gaza had normal relationship with Egypt, maybe we could start believing Israel is the problem here but if none of Gaza's neighbors/any other Muslim countries are willing to take Gazans in, the problem must be somewhere else than in Israel.
Edit: Before 7th of October, there were more people of Gaza coming to Israel on daily bases rather than to Egypt. Why are we blaming israel of "occupation" and not Egypt?
Under a 2007 agreement between Egypt and Israel, Egypt controls the crossing but imports through the Rafah crossing require Israeli approval.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/15/rafah-border-crossing-could-egypt-open-it-to-fleeing-palestinians
https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/israel-gaza-rafah-border-open-crossing-egypt-explain-war-palestine-hamas/article67437358.ece
Based on what are you saying this? Are you trying to make it sound like there is something inherently wrong with Gazans? Genetically maybe? Or are you trying to imply that Egypt's attempt to prevent a Nakba 2.0 is somehow actually just a reflection of this weird ass racist trend?
If Israel puts people in an open air prison then bombs the shit out of them so hard that everyone starts calling Bibi Hitler, then how is this the fault of Gazans?
Unless I detect racism of course. That smug "smart" racism with the whole "iM jUsT sAyIng" attitude?
It would be better for everyone if you would refrain from beating around this bush.
I have never said that there is something genetically wrong with Gazans. However, it’s a simple fact no one is willing to take them during the war compared to Ukrainians, for example.
It’s an unfortunate situation for them because the leading party is an extremely radical leadership that radicalizes the whole population. Is it their fault? In my opinion no but at the same time certain attacks and escalations cannot be justified.
Is it a simple fact or is it some BS you pulled out of your behind?
Did any country take Palestinians in during this (or any) escalation?
Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, etc.
Yes and there was a military conflict between them and the country that has taken them each time.
But your point is still wrong..
Don't squirm around like that. Live up to the shit yoy say.
What are you referring to as wrong. Were there uprisings each time someone took Palestinians? Yes.
So maybe that’s one of the reasons no one is willing to take them compared to Ukrainians.
Uprising or not, it still cpntradicts your claim about how no country took them in. No point changing goalposts. Your claim wss falsw, just admit it.
Every one of those countries has Palestinian refugees (I am one of them). Jordan may be a shithole, but they never rejected Palestinian refugees even after all the business with the freedom fighters.
You are trying to twist this. Why should they go anywhere???? Their fucking home is Gaza and Palestine. Egypt knows that if Israel ethnically cleanses Palestinians again, they will never be able to return. So please, stop twisting and turning. There is nothing wrong with Gazans or Pallestinians, and honestly any claim otherwise just stinks or racism.
What if I asked myself this question about Jews??? Would that be acceptable to you?
If not, then why on earth would it be acceptable to me?
Why should Gazans go anywhere? Simply because there is a war in their country. That does not mean they are leaving forever. Just like thousands of civilians left Ukraine when the war started does not mean they will never return home.
I am not saying there is something wrong with Gazans or that this situation is their fault, however, I at the same time fully understand that no other country would temporarily take them in. Also, how my claim is wrong? How many refugees from Gaza left the area since the beginning of this escalation?
Edit: Regarding Jews: I think it’s completely understandable for civilians to temporarily leave Israel when the war is there. Of course, only if other countries would be okay to take them in.
It doesn't mean they are leaving forever? Lmfao.
Then why am I not in an apartment in Tel Aviv now (where my father's family was ethnically cleansed from during the Nakba)??
Edit: seriously, I'd like an answer. Why was the fucking ethnic cleansing of my family never fixed? Why did I never have the right tp return? And how would you gurantee this to Gazans?
Guarantee is unfortunately impossible. Like in every war. It’s a choice between staying in the battlefield and risking your life or leaving and risking your country.
Regarding Nakba: it was not right. Israel shouldn't have done that just like muslim countries shouldn't have expelled Jews.
And the reason why it was not fixed is simply because backtracking all humanity's mistakes is not possible and creation of new states/regimes usually have these consequences.
Ah thanks, so I should settle simply because Israel is unwilling to make amends or fix annything. Got it. /s
Rather because tracking back all mistakes humanity ever did is nonsensical.
Right, so how would you gurantee a right of return for Gazans? They would be idiots to leave given Israel's history of ethbic cleansing and land theft.
I cannot guarantee that. It would have to be guaranteed by the government in Gaza.
Right... I really wonder where you get this nonsense from.
But no, Israel is the one who would prevent them from returning, just like it prevented every single one of my grandparents and their families from every returning.
Is it a rule that because you lived somewhere, you have ultimate rights to that place or what? So theoretically if I find out that my ancestors owned a huge castle 1500 years ago, should I be able to just claim it?
edit: grammar fixes
... Now I am sure you ar a troll.
This is such a pathetic excuse, not to mention just a parrot point of pro-Zionist racists.
So they left Gaza, and yet they control every fucking thing that goes in and out?? Looks like they just left so they can keep making this pathetic point while still cutting off water and electricity whenever they feel like it.
Get that head out of that ass please.
If Israel controls the import so much, how come they have so many weapons and so much money?
If they were as locked as you say, they would not be able to create such an attack.
Dude, smuggling.
If Israel didn't control so much, it would not have been able to block aid and water and electricity and internet with ease.
Why is Gaza reliant on a state they are in a war with in the first place?
Because that state is the one at war with them... they stole their lands, displaced them, and bombed them every few years for resisting colonialism and invasion.
You would not find it acceptable to live under thr rule of an occupier, so why should I as a Palestinian?
I don’t know how organizing terrorist attacks from time to time and then refusing 2 state solution can be considered a resistance. EDIT: To me it seems like they chose the all or nothing route.
Also, it is still counter productive for Palestinians to attack israel when they are reliant of them.
I don't know how being an apartheid state all the time for 75+ years then refusing a two state solution can be considered a democratic legal state...
You make it sound like Palestinians are dogs fed by Israelis... if you colonize a nation, you are obliged to provide for them. If Israel doesn't want Gazans to be "reliant" on their "generous donations" of food and water, they should not have sieged them and abused them day in and day out.
Issue with this argument is that there was never a palestinian state. It was ruled by Britain and then Britain left and let UN decide. UN decided to create 2 news states that never existed before. It was not like someone had a state before and then UN came and chopped part of it.
And yet Jews in America in 1936 were like:
Palestinian identity existed all along. They would have gotten independence like Jordan or any other distinct group around them.
Instead, the Nakba happened. I wonder why...
There was an offer to create Palestine but it was declined.