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The next installment of Mastodon, two years later

Contents:

  • It's not "just like email"
  • Usability and gatekeeping weren't the only challenges newcomers faced
  • The first complicated high-stakes decision is even before you sign up
  • Why not help people choose an instance that's a good fit?
  • But no
 
  1. THINK before you engage or share
  2. SHARE accurate information about the election
  3. REPORT disinformation when you see it
  4. EDUCATE yourself — and your friends and family
  5. GET INVOLVED – and get your friends and family involved
 

The next installment of Mastodon, two years later

Contents:

  • Mastodon 2017 and Glitch 2017
  • A BDFL gets to do what he wants
  • Flash forward seven years ...
  • Seven years later, is Mastodon significantly closer to being a good Twitter alternative?
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, I can see arguments both ways. When I did the first version of this back in 2020 I got feedback from a couple of experts who emphasized the importance of getting GOOD information out to balance out the disinfo (which even with good reporting still usually doesn't get taken down immediately) so encouraged this order ... at the time we were focused on FB and Twitter but I think it's probably still true here, since almsot all instances have part-time moderators so can't turn things around instantly. Hard to know though ...

And sorry I didn't respond earlier, I thought I had but never hit reply.

 

This is also probably going to be published on the IFTAS blog, most likely tomorrow. But the election's coming up fast, so I wanted to make it available tonight! Once it's published there, I'll repost that here as the canonical version.

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Mastodon, two years later (privacy.thenexus.today)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

A continuation of Mastodon, a partial history

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the clarifications!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it's somewhat useful but certainly not a great solution. It's great that they went the opt-in route, but there aren't any good existing frameworks for how to do it, so they had to roll their own. There's certainly room for improvement, it would be great if either Bluesky or the Social Web Foundation (or both) or somebody else invested in it, but hard to know if and when thta'll happen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There isn't direct federation between Mastodon and Bluesky; instead, Bridgy Fed connects them - https://fed.brid.gy/docs#fediverse-get-started

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

As Strypey acknowledges, there's a lot he didn't know about at the time and left out. Before Mastodon: GNU Social and other early fediverses includes a lot of that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

For what it's worth, the guy who mostly maintains the Wikipedia page agrees with you. And yet even so, at least for now, the Wikipedia page states "The majority of fediverse platforms ... create connections between servers using the ActivityPub protocol" -- which pretty clearly implies that not all fediverse platforms use the ActivityPub protocol.

Anyhow whether or not you agree to disagree ... we disagree. Time will tell how broad usage of the term evolves. In the original article I pointed to examples of TechCrunch and Mike Masnick using the term in the broader sense, but maybe those will turn out to be points off the curve. We shall see!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yep. And also, like I said in https://privacy.thenexus.today/bluesky-atmosphere-fediverse/

For one thing, most of the people who came to Mastodon in late 2022 didn't have good experiences ... so didn't stay in the Fediverse.6 Flash forward to 2024, and Mastodon still hasn't addressed the reasons why.

Bluesky, by contrast, has put a lot of work into onboarding and usability – as well as giving people better tools protect themselves and others, and find and build communities ... So today, BTS ARMY and millions of Brazilians, and everybody else looking for a Twitter alternative are more likely to have a good experience on Bluesky than Mastodon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Great point. And Jay won the power struggle with Jack, which almost nobody gives her credit for.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, it's a great name.

 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/17792698. I had posted here last week asking for suggestions, and incorporated some of them -- for example, the last section mentions the proof-of-concept Faircamp integration into Hubzilla.

Including:

  • DAIR-tube, the PeerTube page of Dr. Timnit Gebru's Distributed AI ResearchCenter
  • The Website League, an island network that's taking a very different approach
  • GoToSocial v 0.17, continuing their focus on safety and privacy with interaction controls.
  • Piefed and the Threadiverse
  • Bonfire's new Mosaic service along with their work on Open Science Network and prosocial design
  • Letterbook
  • Bluesky and the ATmosphere's continued momentum

The post has more info on all of these and more ... there really is a lot going on.

 

Including:

  • DAIR-tube, the PeerTube page of Dr. Timnit Gebru's Distributed AI ResearchCenter
  • The Website League, an island network that's taking a very different approach
  • GoToSocial v 0.17, continuing their focus on safety and privacy with interaction controls.
  • Piefed and the Threadiverse
  • Bonfire's new Mosaic service along with their work on Open Science Network and prosocial design
  • Letterbook
  • Bluesky and the ATmosphere's continued momentum

The post has more info on all of these and more ... there really is a lot going on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Kuba's link i that thread is good, it looks like there's currently about 370 PDS's -- Bridgy Fed got an exception from Bluesky so is the only one that currently has more than 10 uses. https://blue.mackuba.eu/directory/pdses I know some people who just run the open-source code for Bluesky's PDS (which is pretty straightforward) and some run other implementations.

 

Here's the list:

  • Commit to spending at least X% on safety
  • Support diverse participation on the W3C standards group's Trust and Safety task force
  • Focus on consent-based tools and infrastructure
  • Work with people who are targets of harassment to develop tools for collaborative defense
  • Support threat modeling work
  • Develop automated tools to help moderators
  • Do any AI-related work in partnership with AI researchers who take an anti-oppressive, ethics-and-safety-first approach
  • Partner with IFTAS
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/17686207

It's a very long post, but a lot of it is a detailed discussion of terminology in the appendix -- no need to read that unless you're into definitional struggles.

 

An updated version, with a bit more about how Bluesky has addressed some of the problems that the 2022 Twitter influx to Mastodon ran into.

It's a very long post, but a lot of it is a detailed discussion of terminology in the appendix -- no need to read that unless you're into definitional struggles.

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