Mrs_deWinter

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

So the people who go "I would have done something, but now that they painted stonehenge I won't" will suddenly change their way when they see "normal protest" as you call them?

Suuuure. Keep telling yourself that. You're not sounding ridiculous at all.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Public attention to the matter of climate change. Sorry that I didn't spell it out for you.

Care to answer my question though? Because if you have not a single idea what form of protest could actually sway the people you claim to want to reach, we can just as well continue with the cornstarch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Your questions seemed rather rhetorical to me. As long as you act on the premise that there's no solution, any conversation about the topic - including this one - is a monumental waste of time. So let's just leave it at that.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Ah, a doomer. So let me guess, there's nothing we can do and every form of activism is useless?

Just go on with your day then. This protest certainly isn't about you. They didn't hurt you personally, so why not just let them do their thing. The people who believe solutions exist can continue to search for them and you don't have to bother.

Or do you actually have something helpful in mind?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

How do we stop evil corporations? With political action. How do we get political action? Either by voting or collective activism.

There's no solution that doesn't require ourselves to spring into action, even if it's "mostly the fault of a few corporations and their executives".

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Gaining momentum within the movement, keep public attention high, pressure politicians to public statements, legitimise other forms of protests, encourage public debate, inspire involvement of people who generally support them, to name a few.

On the other hand there isn't a single form of protest that wouldn't be either ignored or used as an excuse for inactivity by the people you claim to want to reach. Or could you name even a single example that would make them actually do something?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

That's not the tactic here at all. The people who are outraged aren't important. They will never participate meaningfully. Those people are and forever will be part of the problem. So it doesn't matter if they're angry now. This isn't about them.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago (10 children)

The BS part is that they would have done anything helpful to the cause without the protest.

This is just another excuse. "People think I support throwing starch at Stonehenge" is not a reason to vote conservative and eat red meat at every meal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Or you fell for the propaganda that's discrediting them.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter. Far too little is being done against climate change, on every level - socially, politically, economically, individually. One would have to wonder what the fuck is happening if we didn't have some form of protest. They are necessarily going to become more extreme as time goes by, and they will have every right to do so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Look at the raging reactions in the comments to a little bit of starch. If they would actually destroy something, let alone hurt someone, they'd be framed as terrorists and prosecuted in a heartbeat.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago (12 children)

Now that's just BS, sorry. Not a single person who was on the fence of doing something against climate change will go "oh well but I didn't like the method of those protesters, now I won't do it".

The people who are constantly looking for excuses to do literally nothing are lost to climate action anyway. Every meaningful progress will have to be won against those people, not with them. If even slight inconveniences are too much to ask from them sure, they will shout and cry how this protest is the reason, but let's be honest: They were never going to be a part of the solution anyway.

 

Die Beitragsbemessungsgrenze wird ab 2024 wieder einmal leicht erhöht. Und wieder mal stellt sich mir die Frage: Warum gibt es die überhaupt?

Die Grenze höher anzusetzen (oder - ohgott die armen Millionäre! - bloß nicht anzutasten) fordern erwartbar verschiedene Parteien. Bis auf Die Linke [1, 2] scheint allerdings niemand darüber nachzudenken, diese tatsächlich einfach abzuschaffen. 2016 gab es die Idee, feministisch gedacht, mal aus der Richtung einer SPD-Familienministerin, innerhalb der Partei gab aufgrund von Sorgen um entsprechend steigende Rentenbeiträge allerdings genug Gegenwind um die Überlegung wohl gleich ganz zu begraben und sich mit der jährlichen Anpassung zu begnügen, die wohl gerade ein kleines Stückchen besser ist, als nichts zu tun und durch Inflation und Lohnentwicklung immer weitere Teile der Arbeitnehmer:innen hineinrutschen zu lassen. Durch die Schonung der Sozialversicherungsbeiträge bei den reichsten Prozent unserer Gesellschaft entgeht dem Staat dabei in Zeiten von Einsparungsnöten an allen Ecken wahrscheinlich immense Summen, die anderswo investiert gehören. Das sorgt bei mir für Kopfschütteln.

Ich glaube: Wenn mehr Menschen wüssten, dass diese Grenze existiert und wie sie funktioniert, müsste es eigentlich mehr Gegenwind dagegen geben, anders kann ich mir das nicht erklären. Im Kern halte ich sie für einen fundamental unfairen Mechanismus, der im besten Fall dazu dient, sich politisch den Allerreichsten unserer Bevölkerung anzubiedern, um diese bloß nicht verhältnismäßig zu belasten wie den Rest.

Wie ist eure Meinung dazu? Gibt es Aspekte, die tatsächlich für die Grenze sprechen, oder was soll das ganze eigentlich?

 

Russische Privatjets, fast so gefährlich wie die dortigen Fensterbänke.

 

"Unhöflich" nennt der Minister für Kommunikation und Digitales den Leadsänger, weil der öffentlich seinen Bassisten küsst.

Good Vibes gibt es in Malaysia nur für Heteros.

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Wissenschaft ist (fast) immer richtig. Kapitalismus führt, konsequent gedacht, immer dazu, dass du am Ende von einem verhaltensgestörten T-Rex verfolgt wirst.

 
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