this post was submitted on 20 Oct 2023
243 points (86.9% liked)

World News

38979 readers
2960 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

From the Washington Post:

The Order of St. George, an associated order of the church, issued a statement confirming the strike. “Archbishop Alexios appears to have been located and is alive, but we don’t know if he is injured,” the Order of St. George stated. The blast hit “two church halls where the refugees, including children and babies, were sleeping.”

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

the church was 1600 years old too

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Just a quick note, we're seeing reports on this post complaining that it's coming from Al Jazeera.

AJ is a left of center source and does tend to lean on loaded words, but they are not considered to be factually dishonest. Well, as long as it's not about Qatar. They do have an obvious blind spot there.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/

"These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

Overall, we rate Al Jazeera Left-Center biased, based on story selection that slightly favors the left, and Mixed for factual reporting due to failed fact checks that were not corrected and misleading extreme editorial bias that favors Qatar."

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Also why Israel is after actively banning Al Jazeera. They are trying (desperately) to hide their war crimes and the genocide.

https://lemmy.ml/post/6760749

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not pro Israel so it's clearly biased and anti semitic. Delete it now.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (11 replies)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For anyone else who doesn't like Al Jazeera, here is an article they wrote 4 days ago about this very church being the last refuge for hundreds of displaced civilians who had nowhere left to turn. Thankfully it's hosted on MSN, so it's not fully taboo to read about the horrified people who were at their wits end trying to escape death and largely accepting the futility of the effort.

Any strike on the church “would not only be an attack on religion, which is a vile deed, but also an attack on humanity”, Father Elias said. “Our humanity calls us to offer peace and warmth to everyone in need.”

George Shabeen, a Palestinian Christian and a father of four sheltering in the church with his family, said they had nowhere else to go; their streets had been targeted by three Israeli air raids.
“Coming here saved our lives,” he told Al Jazeera. “During the night, we huddle together, Muslims and Christians, old and young, and pray for safety and peace.”

If someone at the IDF read through some of this propaganda then maybe they wouldn't have put a bomb right next to the church.

Oh well, everyone makes mistakes.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I personally would trust Al Jazeera (The international English speaking one) more than MSN.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Al Jazeera has biases, like every media organization, like Reuters, like the BBC, like the guardian. They're supposed to be one voice in a choir of voices. The reporting is excellent. While they demonstrate their biases by what they cover, I've always found the reporting to be professional and excellent.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The first report is always wrong.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Washington post confirms video with Geo-location

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hard to see what's what in there. I'd be interested in confirming or disproving Israel's account:

The Israeli military told AFP that its fighter jets had hit a command and control centre involved in launching rockets and mortars towards Israel.

“As a result of the IDF [Israeli army] strike, a wall of a church in the area was damaged,” it said, adding “we are aware of reports on casualties. The incident is under review.”

Witnesses said the attack damaged the facade of the church and caused an adjacent building to collapse, adding that many injured people were evacuated to hospital.

If this is true, then you would think most of the church is still standing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

https://streamable.com/bobmch

Lots of Christians dead for a church that's "still standing"

load more comments (9 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Daytime photos show that this is the building next to the church. The church itself is still standing, though one wall was destroyed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bet they have proof Hamas did it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

More "totally legit audios" in Arabic spoken with Hebrew accents.

load more comments
view more: next ›