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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The same organization is making it very clear that this is not proof because they only have publicly available Intel.

The group cited several clips believed to be of the explosion from different sources and claimed the “geolocation and timing of the footage is conclusive”. However, they said their conclusions are not “proven fact”.

“That doesn’t mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason,” they wrote on Twitter.

“We are geolocators, not official investigators… To be sure what really happened, different official investigations are needed.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gaza-hospital-explosion-likely-caused-by-missile-fired-from-palestine-analysts-claim/ar-AA1ipms3

Israel and the US have more intelligence that could definitely prove what happened...

But for some reason they aren't releasing it. Most logical reason is it shows Israel launched it, or blew up the hospital while trying to shoot a rocket down.

If it cleared Israel, that satellite footage would be out by now. Gaza is too tiny for me to believe Israel just wasn't surveiling it at the time.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think intelligence agencies would release primary source data that could reveal collection methods and fidelity to other nation state intelligence agencies just to win PR points?

There's only one individual I can think of that would do something like that, and he's currently facing charges relating to his handling of classified materials.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is that really the most logical conclusion to be drawn? It's been less than a day, and I would really hope intellegince services are more diligent than your average twitter sleuth. Id rather they be right than first, personally.

Also what satellite footage are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

You dont think Israel has satellites looking at Gaza?

It's a very very small area, and missiles/rockets are more than visible enough. It should be really easy to see if it came from Israel or further in Gaza.

Hamas doesn't have satellites, so it makes sense they can't offer proof.

If Israel wants people to believe them in 2023, they need to understand they've already burnt up their benefit of doubt.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don't understand. Ya'll think Israel is gonna burn an intelligence asset they have by making it public just so people who are already convinced by one narrative (because underdogs are always easier to support) have proof of one attack not being their own? They have better use for that intelligence. Like fighting a war.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah the original claims seemed as likely to be true as all the times that terrorists fought to take credit for disasasters that didn't involve them. It's quick easy points in fast moving propaganda campaigns. That being said I have seen this fricking twitter thread of internet sleuths used like 4 times and called different things and we keep passing around the same short clip and the complete nonsense arguments.

No I don't think anyone can say anything about this other than a hospital in gaza was partially blown up like many others and people are still suffering while aid is being kept at arms length from the victims. That's the real story and I don't care who did it until real intelligence has something to say on the matter.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

https://twitter.com/GrantSmithEllis/status/1714399186295111815?t=wxkjKFCi8k2oZ0FTiwxV1g&s=19

10-minute video captured by AJArabic around the time the al-Ahli hospital was hit.

As per @Ted55643099:

Explosions on this video: (0:19) hospital. (0:16, 4:25, 4:49) behind and to the left of the hospital. (5:33, 5:56, 9:26, 10:46) behind hospital, most likely the same place. (9:38, 10:51) to the right of the hospital outside of the frame, likely the same place.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Crosspost from a similar thread:

So this here is the current view on the area where supposedly about 500 people died. Also there are allegedly more than 300 wounded.

Questions I personally have:

  • where is the rubble and where is the bomb crater?
  • why does the building seem undamaged?
  • how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well Israel has dropped more bombs this week alone than the entire Afghan war, so it isn't obscene to think the few hospitals left standing are overcrowded by the thousands. If OSINT is to be believed, it hit the parking lot and wiped out that many people, its a pretty fucking big parking lot. And if it was Hamas, they do not have as powerful of payloads as Israel, so I would assume they were just too weak to collapse the building.

Also it's unclear how many people died.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Turns out taking the hamas series of events at face value won't link up with reality down the line

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?

have you heard of multi level buildings?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder why 800 people would huddle in one building that's supposed to be off limits to bombs right now. Really boggles the mind yeah? /s

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