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Demand to reverse Brexit hits ‘highest ever level’ (leftfootforward.org)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The ratio for those is favour of reversing Brexit is very close to two to one now.

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[-] [email protected] 90 points 11 months ago

Support for rejoin can be as high as it wants to be. The bottom line is that Sir Keir has ruled it out. It's not happening. He doesn't want to lose Labour Red Wall votes.

I think people have to be realistic about these things. If they want to rejoin, vote for a party that will take us back in or at least are receptive of the idea of applying. That's not Labour yet people want to vote for them. Pick your priorities.

[-] [email protected] 56 points 11 months ago

All well and good but with a FPTP system you cannot vote for what you want and expect to get it. If we had PR then that would be a different story.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Why Labour will never support pr.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

As far as I am concerned, the next GE will be the last time I vote Labour unless they announce PR as part of their manifesto. I can understand Starmer dodging on this next innings, but failing adding it to the next GE after would just mean we are on a circle jerk. I still remember Blair said he would move to PR when he was in office.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

“Sir”

I am pro rejoin, but calling Keir sir in this statement is a bit too much unless you are being ironic. So you say dame priti also?

Also funnily enough my phone suggested that Keith as autocorrect for keir :)

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[-] [email protected] 75 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Reverse Brexit

It doesn't work that way. They have to apply for membership and go through the standard process. It's not like they can snap their fingers and become a core member once again, until the next populist leader starts threatening to leave.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

No one has said otherwise.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I’m pretty sure the EU would welcome the U.K. back - not easily, of course, lots of stuff to negotiate and I should think the EU would ask for guarantees that we would pay into the budgets for the next 25 years, no matter what happens.

I’m sure they’d be happy to let us keep the pound and stay out of Schengen.

But timing matters … first there’s a constitutional debate that the EU would want to settle before letting the U.K. back in and if they move to more qualified majority voting, it might be that the U.K. wouldn’t want to join after all.

The whole “ever closer union” bit seems to have been ignored by Britain, even when they first joined. Did we think those words meant nothing?

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[-] [email protected] 55 points 11 months ago

Sorry I’m American, but wouldn’t reverse Brexit just be Brentry??

[-] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago

Bre-entry, because they've already entered once.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Breverse course and Bre-enter.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Breenter

[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Bre-brentry? David Brentry?

[-] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Breturn

[-] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

Breturn?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Bruturn

[-] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

No no, the reverse of Brexit is Tixerb.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nope, it would be BRilliant.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Breunification

[-] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago

Can they actually reverse it? Will the EU take them back?

[-] [email protected] 83 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Not reverse it but reapply for membership, that will of course be subject to veto!

It will come with a lot of prerequisites that will make the deal the UK previously had look like they had won a golden ticket

[+] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

Countries only have to have "plans" to eventually adopt the Euro. There's no timeline on it, so they could say they intend to adopt it in 100 years and that would technically satisfy the requirements.

Sweden has "been in the process" of adopting the Euro for nearly 30 years now.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

we added a euro sign to our localized computer keyboards, that has to count for something..?

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I like the setting an example take.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I know we were a bit of a pain in the arse at times (though I'd say, no more than some other countries which doesn't seem to generate the same press or vitriol), but the EU would, in an ideal world, like us back. The chances of that happening are slim enough, swapping the £ for the euro would absolutely torpedo it.

That would probably be a good metric of how serious the will is for us to return, if the demands include losing our currency that to me would demonstrate that the talks are poisoned to fail.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

if the demands include losing our currency that to me would demonstrate that the talks are poisoned to fail.

You mean, if the UK is treated fairly (like other countries) that means you don't like it?

I can see why the EU was ok with the UK leaving. They're a pain to deal with. I think they should wait ten years until prices go up for all goods from the EU, US, China, etc. because the UK has no muscle to negotiate trade agreements.

Then the UK will beg to be let in.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

We want you guys back.

Although you're a bit in shambles right now, you're still a weight in economy and military that adds to the EU. All the more once you're in better times. The more similiarly aligned countries, the better so we can actually stand next to the titans of the USA and China that we couldn't stand up to alone.

But yeah, I don't think you get your extra benefits back.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

The EU will take the UK back. It has been said by a few. The UK will still have to go through a process. It will not be quick. I would not be surprised if the EU makes the first demand for us to have a new referendum. Just so they know we are not wasting their time.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Not just wasting their time - Brexit cost the EU time and effort and money as well. They're not going to bother if the UK isn't sincere.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Yeah I can’t imagine them treating the UK with any special consideration in their favor this time

[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Another non-binding referendum, but this time they actually don't take action based on the vote.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Brea Culpa! This time, Britain gets to take up the Euro!

[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Not something that would bother me.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

That’s what I’ve been saying and always get people yelling at me. Ask two questions “do you want to rejoin the EU?” and “are you willing to adopt the Euro and Schengen zone?” will yield two drastically different results.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

As an American, I'd happily adopt the Euro and join the Schengen zone.

Apparently, that's not an option for us, though ;)

[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Don't expect Britain to return to EU in the next 50 years or so.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Quite a lot of people are on the fence though.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

That's 37% of leave voters not of all voters.

The poll, carried out by the Times, showed that 37% of Leave voters believe Brexit has a been a failure, with just 20% saying it a success and 35% sitting on the fence.

Since the leave vote was 52% that is roughly half so 18% overall.

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