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submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Personally, I want nothing to do with them and I'm not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I moved to the Fediverse to get away from all these corpos.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Judging from their past and all the bad actions they have done in the past, bad for democracy, privacy, minorities and marginalised people and how openly they have a far/extreme-right bias. Well I feel extremely negative about them joining in. They were also part of destruction of another open/federated protocol in the past: they played big part in destroying XMPP/Jabber messaging. So I am afraid they will do their usual embrace, extend, and extinguish thing and their surveillance capitalist thing and yeah. no good. Best to block their instances outright.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I was going to say, while we can't do Mich about them adopting an open protocol, please defederate with them

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ack. I just said almost the same thing before I read your comment.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

They are free to set up an instance. Not sure who would federate with them.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I have to say, i don't like it, i mean i got here, because i didn't want to have anything to do anymore with them, but i guess if we are careful enough, they probably can't do to much to destroy our current fediverse.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago
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[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Fuuuuuck no! This isn't actually happening right? This is just an idea I hope?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Even if they were somehow not evil, the sheer volume would technologically destroy any instance that tried to federate with them.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've been wondering about how that could work as a denial of service... Meta-scale would work, for sure

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

🚨 DANGER! 🚨

…That about sums up my feelings on this subject.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Give meta the boot

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I say we just don't allow them on most kbin/lemmy instances. Let the people decide what info is bullshit or not.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's the old Microsoft strategy again - Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

They deserve a good boot up the arse before they put one up our's.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

They're trojan horse. We can't stop them from creating their own servers, but we can choose to defederate them. Up with the Anti-Meta Defederation Pact

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Lmao want nothing to do with them. One of the reasons I’m here is to escape these dogshit corpos

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
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[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Facebook behave and their instances have good moderation, they'll be successful. If they don't, they'll get defederated and turn into some niche twitter clone echo chamber like Truth Social.

Facebook is a company with great open-source tech contributions (React, GraphQL) but absolutely awful products (Literally every social media thing they've got their hands on), which is why they are desperately trying to turn their side project Oculus into their main product. And I think they, as the original "The Social Network" company, see the writing on the wall: that they either embrace federation and decentralization, or get swept away by it into the footnote of social media history.

Now, I don't think Facebook wants to JUST run an instance where they get to control everything. I think the most likely scenario is that Facebook will offer easy managed federated instance setup hosted on their own cloud servers for less tech inclined individuals and companies in the future, and they'll rebrand it as "the actual metaverse", which will finally end their tenure as an advertising company.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

we shouldnt let them in. they would have done decentralized service years ago if there was money in it for them. They either want us to stop or try to seize control in only way that can -> by worming in.

We must have zero-tolerance for corporations or we might as well just give up.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'd reaaally rather not have that happen.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

They will datamine all federated users They will set up a CDN for uploads on their platform that will track you like v.meta.com or i.meta.com.

They will probably train LLMs off the data. They will sell the data to advertisers or data brokers. They will most likely have ads or pay to boost.

They will diverge from the standard once they have the majority of users like google does with chrome and the web.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They will set up a CDN for uploads on their platform that will track you like v.meta.com or i.meta.com.

This is the only thing they couldn't already do. They've probably already been datamining Fediverse users. No need to set up an instance for that.

I agree with the v.meta.com and i.meta.com. We'll have to establish some good alternatives by then so people don't use them just because they work so well.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They see the fediverse trend gain9ng steam with the rise of Mastodon and go "Oh sheit we need to be on that for $$$". Proceed to embrace, extend, enshittify, and extinguish. Its nothing but Zuckerberg's gasping breaths to try and stay relevant as his company begins the very slow, but inevitable, backslide into technological irrelevance.

I will be leaving and/or blocking any instance that chooses to federate with anything related to Meta. They are antithetical to the entire foundation of the metaverse and they ruin everything they touch.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean everyone could just not federate with them, right?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Meta is a corporation with a really horrible track record

and even if they didn't, it's still a corporation; it only cares for profit

I have very negative opinions on them joining

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We would be opening the door to allow a large corporation to do what they've done with open source for a while. They'll privatize the public commons.

But all this work [GPL licensing] was ridiculed. Microsoft, through Github, Google and Apple pushed for MIT/BSD licensed software as the open source standard. This allowed them to use open source components within their proprietary closed products. They managed to make thousands of free software developers work freely for them. And they even received praise because, sometimes, they would hire one of those developers (like it was a "favour" to the community while it is simply business-wise to hire smart people working on critical components of your infrastructure instead of letting them work for free). The whole Google Summer of Code, for which I was a mentor multiple years, is just a cheap way to get unpaid volunteers mentor their future free or cheap workforce.

Our freedoms were taken away by proprietary software which is mostly coded by ourselves. For free. We spent our free time developing, debugging, testing software before handing them to corporations that we rever, hoping to maybe get a job offer or a small sponsorship from them. Without Non-copyleft Open Source, there would be no proprietary MacOS, OSX nor Android. There would be no Facebook, no Amazon. We created all the components of Frankenstein’s creature and handed them to the evil professor.

This article is actually pretty great.

https://ploum.net/2023-06-19-more-rms.html

And for emphasis:

We created all the components of Frankenstein’s creature and handed them to the evil professor.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's a great piece - thanks!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's an easy fix. If an instance you're a part of federates with them then just move to a new instance.

Hopefully this will put instance blocking on the top of the list.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Nope. Just nope. It'll be the death of the Fediverse.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know anything about it except for what you said, but yeah fuck them. I'd much rather donate my money (well, once I get a job that is) to a bunch of people to maintain a server and simply jump on another instance if anything weird happens than use another Meta's (or any other shitty corpo's) products

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

To me it sounds like they are trying to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish the fediverse. I wouldn't doubt if at first they adopted it with all the standards then started doing proprietary crap

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

fuck that noise, absolutely do not federate with them

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I didn’t know they’d joined. Do you have a source for this?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

keep corporations OUT

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Block them or I’m gone

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In general, it's great when companies embrace standards and open source. Though in the case of Microsoft, they just did it to gain the market share (embrace, extend, extinguish).

I'm under no illusion that they would be doing it out of the kindness of their hearts or desire to be compliant with standards.

But..i also don't think I can criticize them yet for wanting to do so.

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