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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don't care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal "Chinese spy," while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

"This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs," Quintin said. "People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks."

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 19 hours ago

The fediverse and the decentralised web has a long way to go and need to learn a thing or two about UX unless it wants to join the plight of Linux distros.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Americans are populist trend followers, get what they deserve. Even China banned TikTok πŸ˜‚

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Even China banned TikTok

Not quite, TT is available in China, BUT the CCP mandates they use a special algorithm for the Chinese audience that promotes positivity, education and other quality content rather than just whatever is popular

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

K, sounds better than a platform strewn with lies and disinformation used to fabricate political influence

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The fediverse as a whole has missed a huge opportunity here. I never see anyone talking about it as alternatives to twitter or tiktok, only bluesky and rednote. AFAIK we have no alternative to tik-tok that is viable right now, so I don't know why anyone thought we could manage that one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Loops would be the fedi alternative for tiktok, no? I think. And I agree..but fediverse has only a little word of mouth (reading your comment I feel guilty not pushing it to my friends a little), no money for these viral campaigns/swarms of new users.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

the fediverse needs a simple onboarding process like "signal", to overtly simplify it for casual users. Also, I only heard about loops today and it appears so far it only has a specialized iOS app that requires a special "alpha" mode to be enabled, and no android app. Not exactly ready for primetime.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

EasyPeezy for you to say! :D but yeah if it's not even in the appstore..Pixelfed has seen a boost at least

[–] [email protected] 18 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Its OK, I dont mind lower numbers on fedi. Feels more like The Good Old Daysβ„’ of forums. More people, more shit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

At least we don't have to worry too much about bots or "karma addicted".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

I mostly agree. I do miss some niche communities, though.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Turns out normalizing mass surveillance makes people not care about being spied on

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also our developers are too poor to ge oligarchs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

Seems astroturfed to me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

Xi's 50 Cent Army will be kept busy.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 day ago (16 children)

If you want more people to join the fediverse, you have to improve the user experience. People don’t want to read an article breaking down what the fediverse is, how to join an instance, how to find content, etc.

Streamline the join process so it doesn’t require learning the lore and technical training. Stop promoting the fediverse generally, and instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances. Remove the barriers to entry. If they want to dig deeper into different instances and the technical stuff, let them do that later. Stop loading the info dump at the front.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno this kinda cracks me up a little because like...if you dig deep enough, were people flame-warring on usenet or BBS (wait lemme finish! Lol) over:

"Email needs way better UX and an insta-one-click-sign-up zero-thinking on-ramp so even a single-celled organism can figure it out!"?

That's the easiest descriptor nowadays that explains the Fediverse. Email. "What if Twitter but as a generalized service that anybody could run, like email. Yahoo? Gmail? RobertLovesSurfing.net? They can all email each other but your account lives on one."

A better way of seeking out an instance could be handy perhaps. I found Mastodon pretty smooth with "Hey you might like these if...!" Sort of suggestions. The openness of the platform should make this a much easier task than it might be otherwise, I think.

I also think better explaining the portability of your account data would help people see the benefit there.

I'd like more kinds of nerds to have an easier time getting on the Fediverse with us, so let's improve that, but I also think we're less popular BECAUSE the Fediverse is more about human communication much like "The Old Internet", and less about desperate vapid fame-seeking and self-marketing and identity-as-brand, like Web2/3.0.

A lot of me thinks we're here because corpo-net "disrupted" our forums and blogs away.

IMHO, the commercial-verse can keep its skibidis and hauk-tuas and *"Oh suddenly I'm famous! thanks for the gold kind stranger!"*s

I don't think it's cruel elitist "gatekeeping" to say the Fediverse is for anybody! But maybe not for Everybody. (Imagine if major brands discovered everybody moved to the Fediverse, for instance. Yikes.)

BTW it's 2025 and plenty of people I've observed, here in the U.S, still complain that email is "too complicated." (And no, they weren't formerly from an uncontacted tribe or rescued from a sealed 1950's fallout shelter.)

We could make things a bit easier to understand and smoother to experience, but trying to UX-away the requirement for a modicum of intelligence required is not a great end goal, I think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

Yeah this is more my take. The sign up process is already pretty smooth. Sure some of the theory or technicals might be complicated, but is a centralized platform that has secret algorithms to keep you engaged and push content, some of which may or may not be promoted invisibly you can't always tell -- is that really less complicated? /rq

Like if you type in "join lemmy" or "join mastodon" or hell even "join fediverse" in any search engine, the first result is a website briefly describing the concept and giving your some choices of servers to sign up at.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Fediverse and decentralism confused me initially but then I learned I can just sign up at lemmy.world and use it normally without having to know the backend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

Lemmy's Rookgaard. After 30 comments, you're forced to register somewhere else.

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