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I saw a post that talked about racism towards people and when I talked about it the response I got was very heated and a person even called lemmy.world a community of 'hitlerites'

I have been around for a week or so and this is my first time seeing such explicit vulgar reaction towards another community, is this a one-off or should I block hexbear?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 36 minutes ago

Tankies

It's an instance meant to seem attractive to western youths while explicitly only serving the needs of the Chinese Dictatorship.

Most of their users are bots, human decency is their kryptonite. If ever you are convinced that any of them are your friends, you're just another mark they intend to make full use of and throw away: you are not a human being in the eyes of Hexbear.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 minutes ago

A self help group for people who struggle with solvent abuse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 53 minutes ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

Hexbear is pretty overwhelmingly queer/trans and anarchist/communist.

If you've never run into a transfem communist IRL it's probably because you're not in many queer or left wing organizing spaces.

I'm actually pretty new to Lemmy in the last year and in that time I've seen way more .world posters being toxic about .ml/hexbear and making vague posts about how bad they are. I have to imagine that's why you're now seeing backlash to .world. Also most of the time I see people complaining about these instances and I dig into the modlog it's overwhelmingly because they got banned at some point for being reactionary and are bent out of shape about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Note: being on Lemmy for about a year, I didn't live through the early days of this place. Here's what I can recollect, as neutrally given as possible.

TL;DR The recent conflicts between two politically different groups on Lemmy have radicalized many people, and many Hexbear residents in particular. Unless you are to discuss the far-left ideas and are very radical about disadvantaged groups, you are safe to block it.

Hexbear is a far-left (as in actually communist) anti-discrimination community, initially more of a safe haven to promote equality and foster a healthy and welcoming place for leftists to come together.

With core developers of Lemmy also being far-left, Hexbear naturally fitted the landscape along with the official Lemmy.ml, heavy far-left Lemmygrad.ml and others.

As time went on, however, all sorts of left-leaning and apolitical folks, not just far-left, came to the platform, filling other instances like Lemmy.world (now the most populated of them all), sh.itjust.works and many others.

As a result, Lemmy has two groups of people with radically different political views: one is a group of more or less organized far-left, and the other is everyone else, most commonly liberals. This distinction has caused a lot of conflicts and heated discussions based on political adherence.

Most notable case is latest US elections. The far left side generally called not to vote Democrat as Biden has failed to deliver on many of his promises and empowered Israel to commit war crimes in Palestine, while the liberal audience called to vote Democrat to not let Republicans take the lead, which may arguably lead to an even worse outcome than unaccountable Dems can make.

This divide has raised a lot of mutual hostility, brigading, and uncivil behavior, which has radicalized many on both sides of the conflict, the consequences of which you have got to experience.

What to do with that is up to you to decide. Hexbear is very politically uniform and very political overall, so if you're not here to discuss communism, you won't lose much and will gain additional peace of mind.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 56 minutes ago* (last edited 55 minutes ago) (2 children)

I'm being a little pedantic here, but "far left (as in actually communist)" wasn't a thing until these recent online debates and forming groups started putting labels on groups and putting them into boxes. Communists are not necessarily left, nor far left. It feels a bit weird to 'put' them anywhere. That said, I know nothing about hexbear or this little group on Lemmy and how they identify..

[–] [email protected] 3 points 42 minutes ago

communists are on the left, not sure the page you linked is making the case for anything other than American political scientists being extremely unserious

[–] [email protected] 1 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago) (1 children)

What do you believe "leftism" means? I can't see a world where an ideology based on public ownership, collectivization, and working class liberation could be seen not as left.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago* (last edited 9 minutes ago) (1 children)

A label, in all honesty. Historically they're not left nor right nor middle. They can have ideologies of many, but too long to get into here. I was being pedantic because it's a slight bug of mine when they are labelled and boxed like that. For example Nikolai Bukharin and Alexei Rykov (Bukharinists) and others like Joseph Stalin were not considered left but were communist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 minutes ago

Bukharin was considered "right" from the standpoint of a far-left ideology, as a point of comparison to the standard party line. That's like saying -5 is a positive number because it is closer to positive numbers than -10.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

It's an instance that became known for brigading other instances to "dunk" on anyone who has remotely different ideas than they do, as well as spamming oversized emojis and pictures of pigs shitting on their own testicles. They have been defederated by most instances for good reason, as they always showed up enmasse to completely derail discussion and their own stated purpose of federating with other instances was to "dunk on liberals and dismantle Western propaganda". Their users would harass people in DMs for weeks on end if that person said something they didn't like. I was there to see this happen in several instances before they all defederated from Hexbear and it almost made me quit Lemmy entirely.

If you need examples, go on an instance that federates with Hexbear and look at any thread on various instances involving federating or defederating with them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 minutes ago* (last edited 3 minutes ago) (1 children)

Yes block hexbear. It’s one of the first things I did on lemmy. Save yourself the toxicity of dealing with them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (10 children)

Seems this post is being brigaded by hexbear alts fyi

[–] [email protected] -1 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

Nah that's just Antiyanks again. They have hundreds of accounts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 minutes ago

They/them or is Antiyanks a thing?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Here's my take...

They're more cohesive and insular than most groups you'll find on social media.

They've brewed their own strongly held culture and ideology.

Many are also used to being ostracised by other communities due to sexual preferences or other personal attributes.

The result is, if you naively post in a thread in which they are active your opinion will get stomped on if it does not directly align with theirs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 38 minutes ago (2 children)

Many are also used to being ostracised by other communities due to sexual preferences or other personal attributes.

Based on their polling, most are trans and based on reading their posts for the last year, most are sick of the rampant transphobia on pretty much every social media platform, including on lemmy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

Yes, that's what I said, only more delicately.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 32 minutes ago

You'll find a good amount of transphobia on this post too, proving them correct. One user is directly attacking trans users by claiming that the trans user is "faking it" and attacked another user by defending chasers, calling chasers "allies."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (8 children)

ITT: everyone says they're bad without giving any examples, telling you what to think instead of letting you form your own conclusions.

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