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Israeli airstrikes destroyed a tower block in Gaza City after Hamas militants launched a rocket and air attack on Israel in the early hours of Saturday morning.

The Israeli army launched Operation Iron Swords against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, with Israel's president, Benjamin Netanyahu, saying the country, is 'at war'.

Al Jazeera journalist Youmna El Sayed was reporting live from Gaza the moment the missile struck Palestine Tower behind her.

Sources in Gaza said at least 198 Palestinians were killed in the strikes

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So order of things in this video is wrong. First one is the reporter with explosion behind her. Explosion is suppose to make noise and do no damage. Israel calls this "roof knocking" as it gives warning and time for people to flee. Fifteen minutes later first part of the video happens and building is leveled to the ground. Building destroyed is a communication tower, which as you can expect is the first to go in such situations.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Are you sure it's a communication tower? If they flattened "Palestine Tower", then that's a mix of commercial and residential apartments. Apparently it had 14 stories and also housed clinics and media agencies.

(Wiki page is in Arabic)

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (48 children)

Palestine strikes Israel: 22 dead (huge outcry) Israel strikes Palestine: 200 dead (nobody bats an eye)

Israel is a problematic subject with how imbalanced it is handled in media, resembling more propaganda than anything else.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Palestine strikes Israel: 22 dead (huge outcry) Israel strikes Palestine: 200 dead (nobody bats an eye)

Source for only 22 dead? Associated Press is reporting at least 250 people were killed and 1,500 wounded in Israel

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-rockets-airstrikes-tel-aviv-11fb98655c256d54ecb5329284fc37d2

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

According to the United Nations the number of injured and killed has been in imbalance for over a decade.

No party has been innocent in this conflict but I would lean on the side that retaliation and attacks from israel are far more deadly and damaging than from Palestine.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

Looks like that was updated half an hour before the comment you replied to was made.

And earlier this afternoon 22 was the official count for Israeli deaths, 220ish Palestinians.

So Israel has updated their number, and it looks like Palestine hasn't.

That being said, both sides can pretty much say whatever right now. There's no way to know what it actually is, there's too much chaos for anyone to know.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By the time this escalation ends up, the number would be quite disproportional as ever. And I can tell you for certain on which side the civilian casualties would be at least two times higher, as usual and I am pretty certain you can guess too.

Not supporting Hamas or any civilian casualties here on both sides, but what Israel is usually doing is not exactly diffusing the tension and usually it makes things even worse.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

And those are civilians.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Please explain like I'm 5 : why Israël doesn't go after military/strategic targets instead of destroying city blocks?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because this was probably a military target.

A lot of militant groups use civilians as human shields to either completly prevent a strike or a least create bad publicity to spin their propaganda.

There were a lot of Israelis taken into Gaza by force, my guess is they are kept in the most important places to create a moral dilemma.

You either attack and kill your own civilians or let the enemy have undisturbed action.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Israel and the Occupied Territories: Shielded from scrutiny: IDF violations ... https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/mde151432002en.pdf

Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N. | Reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

I just thought I'd add this to counter the usual one sided view on the matter.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

A lot of militant groups use civilians as human shields to either completly prevent a strike or a least create bad publicity to spin their propaganda.

I honestly don't know why they do that because Israel clearly doesn't care and will shoot a child or journalist or doctor any day of any hour.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gaza doesn't have anything else. It is not a country, it is a concentration camp and it in general is not permitted to have anything resembling an organized self defense.

It makes it easier to bulldoze over their towns on Ramadan and then act shocked when some of them retaliate during your high holiday.

Israel could simply stop settling the land that doesn't belong to them and exterminating Palestinians, and Hamas could stop lashing out and killing Israelis but the only way that happens is if the political leadership of those two selfishly monstrous regimes were to simply all die.

There can be no peace as long as one country is allowed to make another into an apartheid state while they ethnically cleanse the population from land they feel entitled to control.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Or maybe Israel could use all that money they have to remove the separation walls and allow Palestinians to integrate into society and return lands that settlers recently took. That's a start.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Hamas doesn't want to be part of Israeli society. These are not two groups that can co-exist peacefully.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

City blocks are military targets when your goal is to get rid of people living there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The correct answer is that Hamas purposely launches these attacks from city block, schools, hospitals, etc which is literally a war crime so when there is retaliation they can cry foul. Don't believe terrorist apologist.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Have you ever looked at a map of Gaza, the place is all civilian infrastructure, they have to operate from inside it there's no other choice the place is completely overpopulated. Which very much makes it not a war crime as the Geneva convention is about avoiding avoidable civilian casualties, not unavoidable ones.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Shooting rockets indiscriminately is definitely an avoidable action. They don't have to do it. Unfortunately people do need to defend themselves from Israel but the rockets are just to inflict suffering.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

YouTube is actually displaying pro-isreali ads displaying colonized people as terrorists. Without discomfort.

David against Goliath they said at the IDF center behind their joysticks.

We are really in up is down era.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When you shoot up a music festival then parade the bodies of the civilians you murdered through the streets, you are, in fact, a terrorist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

palestinian == local isralian == colonist

You could bend the reality as much as you can - and pay all the ad campaign on youtube - but by definition, the offenser is pretty well identified.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yep it is. It's the person murdering and kidnapping civilians, whichever "side" theyre on.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Turns out people are comfortable with genocide when it's brown people doing the dying.

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