AOC Snub Shows How Democrats Refuse to Learn Lessons of ~~2024~~
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this post was submitted on 19 Dec 2024
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At least the Palestinian genocide is over now because those Dems didn't learn the lesson or whatevs.
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When the right wing voters didn't like what their elected leader were doing, they primaried them with more ideologically pure leaders.
Left wing voters just bitch and moan but take no action proving that some of the qualities the right claims of the left, like being lazy and entitled are true.
The magas have no problem voting for good enough.. Dem base consistently let perfect get in the way of good... And various factions have a different definition of perfect.
Did you read the article? Theyβre saying thatβs possibly what lost AOC some favor with the dem leadership, that she was supporting progressive primary challengers.
What fucking primary?
The primary every congressional district has. The right ran some crazy fucks against some well established right wing politicians so where is the left's version of this.
Everyone hung up on the presidential primary is failing to heed our own advice to the people who vote for a third party as a protest against the Democratic Party.
The one that exists in the argument but not in reality. Keep up. It's straw man season
I'm sure it has nothing to do with multiple billionaire backers like Trump and Thiel pushing their candidates.
Must just be that the left doesn't care in comparison.
The billionaire backers came after the crazies won against right wing encumbrants.
LOL
Okay buddy.
When the right wing voters didn't like what their elected leader were doing, they primaried them with more ideologically pure leaders.
I've been thinking the same thing. The current form of the Republican party that is MAGA is clearly influenced by the Tea Party movement. The Wikipedia entry say the movement dissolved and doesn't say what legacy it left. But in hindsight, it is clear that it made the Republican party evolve into MAGA that it is today.
The Democratic Party should have its own MAGA movement but from the left. The American left only seem to be animated if the candidate or leader is deemed progressive enough. They don't seem to actively try to influence the Democratic Party themselves unlike what the right did to the Republican Party.
What I find hilarious is that every "progressive" leader that does make their way in ends up being a Republican/Russian puppet. (See Sinema/Fetterman).
Proves horseshoe theory is real. The DNC doesn't care about you guys because you've shown you don't care about the DNC. Bitch all you want but why should they try to pursue lazy kids who bitch and moan but don't vote when it counts or protest vote.
That's why the DNC drives further right because at least that voting base actually consistently votes.
The tea party was astroturfed. There's no wealthy PACs propping up a movement of soc dems like AOC
I don't know. It's not directed at you but I think anyone who disagrees with a movement would always find ways and angles to smear it.
Nonetheless, many of what had been advocated by the Tea Party movement-- both social and economic policies-- are still visibly present and implemented by MAGA. So I think even with astroturfing, the goals of those involved in Tea Party had their way.
even with astroturfing
That's basically the point though, right? Without astroturfing the tea party probably wouldn't have grown into maga. Compare the occupy wall st movement (as mentioned below)-- there was no corporate backing so it fizzled as soon as popular support couldn't sustain it. But money kept pumping into the tea party and it eventually metastasized into maga.
Growing up with these movements, it felt like the Occupy Movement could have been that, but it was smeared by The Powers That Be alongside infighting or a focus on strange parliamentary procedure. It helps with cops also are on your side (Tea Party).
I donβt think the left makes enough persistent noise at their leadership compared to the right. Iβm really proud of the recent strike announcements from Unions & hope they stick through the tough shit.
I volunteer in municipal work on a town board local to me. Itβs not much, but thereβs a few chuckleheads βfrom the private sectorβ that think they know everything in five minutes. If you put hard facts and actually argue them in proper settings with conviction, you can at least have a voice in the bullshit around you.
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Failing to cultivate younger politicians is exactly why people are disillusioned with the party, and why they had to keep running Biden in the first place. SMH
It should have been Bernie in 2016, yet here we are.
It's really very simple:
On one side, there's integrity and convictions and serving the interests of the American people.
And on the other side, there's a handful of corporations and wealthy individuals who will give them money in exchange for protecting their privilege.
And the Democrats have chosen the money
As have the republicans. So now there are no political options for addressing the material concerns of the working class.
BOLD MOVE COTTON
At least it's on-brand for R. D still tries to pretend otherwise.
So now there are no political options for addressing the material concerns of the working class.
BOLD MOVE COTTON
Good point, that didn't go well last time did it? Those who forget history...
Looks like our politicians are going to be doomed to repeat it.
The issue is that besides money, and thanks to it, power (military, police, etc.) is much more concentrated in the hands of the rich than before, in my view.
I don't disagree, but the wealth disparity is a sort of indicator of all the rest, at least IMO.
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I'm one of those people who spent a lot of time cheer-leading the Democratic party and the Harris campaign before the election. I still think it was the right thing to do given the alternative. AND I still think that anyone who stayed home or voted for Trump is a moron. But now that the worst possible thing has come to pass and we're gonna have to spend the next couple of decades dealing with the consequences anyway: Fuck the Democrats. I'm done.
Fuck the Democrats. Iβm done.
the only thing that matters to them is that you vote for them in 2028 and people will be calling you a moron for not falling in line.
I live in California. My vote doesn't count for sheeet.
At least you can say you're the Dems ATM. I'm in Hawaii and they hadnt counted a single vote before the news just attributed all hawaiis electoral college votes to Harris. They were right, but come on. At least lie to me about my vote mattering.
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I think it's important to realize that there is corruption in the Democratic party (too). We need a left wing party. People paint left wing ideas as crazy but the opposite is true.
Honestly, Pelosi has been a non-stop blight. It's time to cut out the cancer, here.
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Iβm 54 and Iβm tired of this old guard. We need some new blood and energy.
@[email protected] do you not run into the paywall? I'm curious if it's region-specific or something.
Too soon to expect that. They still haven't learned their lesson from 2016. A lesson from 2024 never stood a chance.
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