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[–] TheChargedCreeper864@lemmy.ml 6 points 13 hours ago

This gave me a brilliant idea:

  • Everyone adds a clause to whatever license they use stating "any part of this software may not be used for was purposes of any kind"
  • We wait until software with these licences is spread across the supply chain of everything on Earth
  • ...
  • World peace, as no country would be legally allowed to wage war
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 49 points 19 hours ago

This is peak licensing

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

Every Villain Is Lemons

E.V.I.L

[–] ailepet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wait I though the point of these post-opensource clauses (see also: anti-capitalist licence, WTFPL, etc.) was to scare off the big corporations lawyers and make sure your code won't end up in AWS or something like that? Are Linux distros the only actors who are still giving a shit about licencing?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

If you want to scare corporations use AGPL or, if you're feeling spicy, SSPL. Do not use WTFPL, it's too permissive.

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 10 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 12 hours ago

Exactly. It scares them.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 9 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Always were.

Big companies care too but only if their cya arm knows enough about software to actually enforce anything. A lot don't.

[–] muelltonne@feddit.org 66 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The biggest problem with such a clause is that it is hard to define "evil", even if it seems clear to you. Some people think that abortion is evil, so are abortion clinics banned from Json? What about the military and weapon manufacturers? Killing is evil, but you all know how the discourse about the military as national heroes that can't be evil in the US goes. What about a service like X - is it evil? Can you define "evil" for a surveillance tool that brands itself as ad tech?

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

The clause also states that the product MUST be used for Good, which is a higher bar. I'd imagine most things JSON is used for are fairly morally neutral.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 9 points 16 hours ago
[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

I'd imagine most things JSON is used for are fairly morally neutral.

a lawsuit waiting to happen. Json has been a real dick lately sending his lawyers after everyone

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 6 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Ask every single person what is the definition of evil and merge all the answers into one definition

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 4 points 14 hours ago

The law is basically this, it’s why nearly everyone hates the government.

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 11 points 20 hours ago

That'd be all the things.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You'd end up with Schrödinger's Evil

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[–] renzev@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

OK but how can json have a license? I understand a particular json parser having a license, but how can a specification, which contains no code, even be considered "software"?

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Uh define code there. What about when storage and code are both on a machine that considers both instructions and data to be data? Is a spec not a creative work? Is code not just a spec?

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It's generally accepted that file formats aren't protected IP, so you can write a compatible reader or writer and be in the clear as long as you reused no code from the original reader/writer. The specification may have licence terms that restrict who you can share the spec with, but you don't necessarily need the official spec to come up with a compatible implementation. Plenty of file formats have been reverse engineered over the years even when the original didn't have a written spec.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 11 hours ago

My comment was more that it's not sacred, it's all just stuff.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 251 points 1 day ago (9 children)

fun fact: IBM asked for, and got, an exception from that clause.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I remember when he told that story, it was something like this: one company which I don't want to name, so will just say it's initials - IBM. He also authorised usage for IBM "and it's minions".

[–] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well, IIRC they did work with the Nazis to manage concentration camps and more

https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/ibms-role-in-the-holocaust-new-documents-confirm-t

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 59 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Did they reveal what the evil task they were using it for was?

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago

They make chips for missiles.

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 67 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess they'll use JSON when they're building the database to do the next holocaust.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

This isn’t talked about enough.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

So do I have to look it up now? Ugh, but I am le tired

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 9 hours ago

It’s talked about in this thread. The short version that IBM built a logistics machine for the Nazis that was used to coordinate the transport of supplies for the war effort and transporting people to concentration camps.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

TL:DR: IBM sold machines to the Nazis that they used to track down people to put into concentration camps. It would've been harder to do if they had to rely on paper records only.

Jeez, hard to imagine them not having been paper. Sometimes it's easy to forget. Kind of like the IRS using computers older than some senators, and that's saying something.

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[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 129 points 1 day ago (10 children)

So do you use JSON for your endpoints?

No we use XML

Oh interesting why is that?

Uhhh.....no reason

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[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

As a php user, this is hilarious.

The issue shouldn't effect any php users today, as this is a issue with older versions of PHP 5.5, where the "outdated PHP 5.6" was released in 2014.

Anything on PHP 5.6 has been a security risk for half a decade already. So this is like if you were on Ubuntu 14, or Windows 8. If you have problems, it might be you.

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