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I don't understand why people are making it such a big deal. Jesus died, yes, but he has risen from the dead after a few days. So basically he only died for a weekend, for the human race. "Oh what a brave man! He gave up his weekend!" There are other people who did much more for the human race, like Fritz Haber for example. Also, necromancy isn't allowed according to the bible, so zombie Jesus broke the rules.
Your dad sent you here to suffer and die? Big deal that's what the rest of us are doing.
Hahaha and his dad didn't even beat him or told him he's a disappointment
zombie Jesus broke the rules
Even living Jesus broke the rules. According to the ~~fanfic~~ gospel of John, Lazarus was dead for four days before Jesus resurrected him. It's where the line "Jesus wept" comes from.
The entire bible if filled with contradicting stories, with incest, child abuse and murder. Nice book as reference for a better life 👌
Realistically, the Bible is a compilation of cherry-picked stories ranging from historical fiction to high fantasy, written by dudes who weren't alive at the time, in a language nobody speaks anymore, translated a dozen times, losing important historical and grammatical context each time, with parts added/removed/rewritten at the ruling political and religious leaders' fancy. I want to read the version where a Bethlehem resident wanted to confirm Mary's post-natal virginity by hand, but the pope won't let me.
Damn. It isn't dope the pope said nope.
Also, the book is interpreted the way people want to interpret as an excuse to support their bad behavior. It's veeeeeery convenient there are so many versions out there, as a result of loose translations and copying by hand by monks for several hundred years. Just pick the version you like the most and you're free to abuse kids and be a racist homophobe transphobe piece of shit.
Fritz Haber for example
I mean....... Haber isn't exactly a giant of morality and ethics. He did invent most of the chemical weapons utilized in WW1, and expressly defended their use as weapons.
He tried to kill people and ended up helping feed the world, then he tried to feed people and ended up helping the Holocaust. The guy is a fascinating historical figure but definitely a was a monster.
Jesus wasn't a zombie, Jesus was a lich.
Edit: found the pic!
Its the post nut clarity...
TBH I can imagine people sent him to watch the passion as a result of the aforementioned post lol.
There's a significant amount of rape in the BIble. And a lot of it is condoned.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say sex slavery is a bad thing. But it sure does like talking about how all of those divine kings had concubines.
Or maybe that's not a sin 😏
"Spilling seed" is a sin... So confirmed that Jesus saw it and thought it was worth forgiving by dying on a cross for.
Eh. The thing Catholics use to say spilling seed is a sin is them completely misunderstanding what was happening.
So this dude Onan’s brother died without giving his wife any sons (or maybe children in general, I don’t remember). So according to tradition at the time, Onan was supposed to provide her with a son. But once he gave her a son, his job would be complete and he wouldn’t get to bang her anymore. So he pulled out.
The problem here wasn’t that he spilled his seed, it was that he spilled his seed in order to keep banging his brother’s widow.
But the Roman Catholic Church at some point was like, “OMG masturbation must be bad too!” So they decided that masturbation should he called “Onanism.” Which is ridiculous, dude is famous for pulling out, not jackin’ it.
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"Spilling seed" is a sin...
First off, I've never read the Bible, so apologies for any ignorance I'm about to display.
Second, how literal are we talking here? Like, do backshots count as "spilling seed"? What if she's a spitter, is she doomed to eternal damnation? Is hot creampie sex the only legal sex, according to the Bible?
It would be disrespectful to stop at this point.
Now I get why the incels are excited with the ultraconservative agenda.
They say "biblical values" and incels hear "free rape."
I'm a Christian myself, but I swear - zealous or ostentatious Christians are some of the meanest, nasties and most awful people I know.
Coming from deeply catholic region, I know lots of such people. They will judge you for not being like them, they will absolutely try to convert you, and they are definitely the most hateful and straight out ignorant people I ever met.
I don't blame the religion though, because these people are obviously not following Jesus, but rather the spiteful catholic church.
"There's no hate like christian love."
How do you reconcile being a good person, with respecting other people's beliefs, and not trying to convert people?
By your own system of belief, your inaction allows evil to reign.
I absolutely do blame religion for some the worst behaviours exhibited by believers, as it puts them in an impossible position.
If a genuine believer loves a non-believer, how can they be a good person within their own world view, if they do not try to save them?
But if they do try to save them, they will fail to be good person in the world view of the person they are trying to save.
You can't do both, and as far as I can tell, most religions work this way.
To treat people with real respect believers universally have to engage in some of the most precarious double-think I can imagine.
It isn't fair to anyone that you have to "suspend your disbelief" for reality the way we do for fiction, just to come across as a reasonable person.
I might be able to help here! Trying to save/convert someone can look a lot of different ways, but what almost never works is aggressively pursuing someone. The best way is to live by example and just engage in theological conversations when they come up, not by pushing but mainly by being curious and asking questions.
With this method it is quite easy to have friends from different belief systems. Everyone is on their own journey and sometimes it takes a lifetime, but being pushy is never a good option.
As long as you're equally prepared to be deconverted.
I have argued theists into corners, and at that point they disengage, or begin to pick and choose what parts of what I'm saying they will acknowledge.
The problem for me, is that for me to let you be, I just need to be ok with you believeing in some things that aren't real. As long as your conduct is acceptable and fair, I have no reason to intervene aside from a respect for truth.
Still, all religion is harmful, because belief in the unreal distorts reality, and impacts how you vote and make consequential decisions, affecting humanity as a whole. Individual behaviour is mostly benign, but as institutions religions are wrecking balls rolling through civilisation and history.
Even here you talk about how you wish to convince me by "living by example" as if religion provides something I would want, that I can't have any other way. All it has to offer are lies, and I have refused to believe them. Nothing you can say or do is more convincing to me than whatever a Muslim, Hindu, or the ancient greeks, might say.
But still, to placate your own sense of guilt, you might pray for me. But then, you're not letting me be. You're not accepting the way I've chosen to live life. If you want god to intervene, you've rejected me, and my choice.
This is what "there is no hate like christian love" refers to. You will openly express love, while completely failing to understand that your beliefs reject parts of who some people are. You do not love us. You do not accept us. You feel like you do and you say that you do.
But all thats felt at the other end, is the rejection. The knowledge that someone who is supposed to care about you, deep in their heart, with the fiery passion of religious conviction, believes that something about the way you are, is so deeply wrong, that you deserve literal eternal punishment.
Do you have any idea how deeply that wounds?
This simple reality turns the love you feel and attempt to express for someone, into the most vile, abhorrent, twisted feeling of rejection it is possible to inflict on another. And the more you express it, the more it hurts. Some people kill themselves because of it.
Those of us who maintain friendships with you, simply ignore that part of how you feel. I can't do it. I can't be friends with someone who thinks I'll go to hell for being me. They'll never convert me, and if they are ok with that, I can barely stand being in the same room. And if they do try to convert me, refer back to my second paragraph.
How are you able to love me, and also let me be, even as you genuinely believe that "my journey" ends in eternal suffering? Or how can you expect me, to accept someone who can do that, as a genuinely good person?
no true scottsman
How so? Jesus has a number of very specific teachings, foremost among them being to love your neighbor as yourself. Calling people out for calling themselves Christians while obviously ignoring the central tenet of his message is no different than calling out someone who calls themself a vegan while obviously eating a bucket of KFC.
The No True Scotsman fallacy is when you declare a label (Scotsman) to be conditional on some unrelated factor (putting sugar in porridge) instead of the actual condition (being from Scotland).
Following the tenets of Jesus is the definitive condition of being a "Christian". Going to a church every week and singing the songs doesn't make you a Christian any more than going to the farmer's market and chanting in protests makes you a vegan. It doesn't matter what you call yourself if you don't do the thing you're singing about.
He died so you can sin. Would be a waste of a good blood sacrifice to live a pure life if your god is just handing out grace.
It is a waste, good loves the smell of a burnt offering more, and they chucked him down a hole instead
Jesus died so we could have bread. He is risen!
Also, rape porn is very much in keeping with biblical values.
I would thank Jesus for bread, but didn't we have the stuff figured out quite a while before he showed up?
"Take this and eat it" works in either context.
Lot would be so proud he’d throw you a daughter🥲
Throwing your daughter out to save your traveling guest's ass from being raped is also an option.
^Judges^ ^19^ ^for^ ^the^ ^curious^
Telling everyone the reason both your daughters are pregnant with your babies is because they got you drunk, or that girls shouldn't get too huffy if it's their own brother that raped them - also options.
Genesis 19:30-38 and 2 Samuel 13:20-22
Oh noooo, he suffered a few days and then got to hang out with his dad in heaven for eternity and be worshipped by billions of people. What a sacrifice!
Idk man I don't think I would be okay with being nailed to a cross even if i knew it meant living in heaven for eternity
Fair enough, but I also don't think that we should consider a few days of suffering for an eternity of basically being god much of a sacrifice.
My take: death was preferable to living in the world his dad controled.
How selfish is it to be happy somebody saw no other option but to suicide to save everybody else?
Jhon jumped on the granade and saved all of us, but we should not cry for him, we should be happy because his sacrifice meant we all survived!
The most basic shit fly off the window when it comes to Jesus.
Sir this is a Wendy's
Not surprising as much of online conservatism these days is just gooning. They're all porn addicts who cry about the wokes taking away their softcore porn from their video games.
The christian tradwife fetish is just about a free use full time submissive with a twee aesthetic, so I'm not that surprised
Yes, that's what jesus died for.
They probably responded by saying Christians aren't perfect just forgiven