We are not doing OK, we can't seem to stop electing Doug Ford and his cabal of corrupt conservatives.
Please send help!
this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2024
44 points (94.0% liked)
Ontario
2213 readers
56 users here now
A place to discuss all the news and events taking place in the province of Ontario, Canada.
Rules
- No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.
- Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here.
- No porn.
- No Ads / Spamming.
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
Do I smell a $200 ~~rebate~~ bribe incoming?
I'm certainly not happy with our government, but I'm optimistic that Marit Stiles seems to be starting to figure things out.
I would really like an election with the ONDP and OLP give the OPCs a run for their money.
I think Ontario can do better and I'd like to see us achieving our potential and thriving.
In Canadian politics it almost feels like the opposition doesn't ever want to win, just stay as the opposition. They always run the worst most forgettable candidates against the incumbent.
Minority government led by the ONDP is my best case Ontario.
The problem as I see it is that both the OLP and the ONDP see the other as "taking their voters". "If only those idiots supporting the would vote for us, then we could defeat Doug Ford!"
Meanwhile, if they ran as a semi-coalition, and got out of each others way in a few dozen ridings, they could at least reduce Ford to a minority, or possibly form a coalition. In the absence of proportional representation or a ranked ballot (or both), it's the best way to prevent vote splitting among 60% of Ontario from allowing Ford to win again.
Examples:
- Scarborough Centre: If the NDP gets out of the way, it goes from Lean PCPO to Likely OLP
- Timiskaming-Cochrane: If the Liberals get out of the way, Lean PCPO → Lean NDP
- Algoma-Mnitoulin: Liberals get out of the way, Toss-up NDP/PCPO → Lean NDP
- Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte: NDP get out of the way, Toss-up OLP/PCPO → ... okay this one probably stays a toss-up, but the advantage shifts to the OLP from the PCPO.
Notably, I would leave ridings like Humber River—Black Creek out of consideration, as that's a solid 3-way race.
If you're concerned about being able to govern as a coalition, make your #1 priority electoral reform. Get that done and then see where it goes from there.
I took 5 minutes, and looked at one polling aggregator, and found a possible path to moving 4 seats. You need to move ~30 seats to get Ford out of power according to today's polling. If the OLP and ONDP can't work together to find a path to victory for them together, neither of them deserve to lead, IMO.
(Fortunately for me, I get to vote for Catherine Fife (NDP-Waterloo), and her seat is pretty safe)
@GuelphOnTwoWheels @MichaelPorter @ontario … don’t forget closing the Science Centre and moving it to the waterfront (at 1/3 the size) because 5% of the roof needs to be repaired before the snow flies. 🙄
We’ve been looking forward to a long overdue election to bounce these clowns to the curb.
You have so much more faith in Ontarians than I do. He's totally getting reelected.
Agreed. According to current polling, if the Conservatives get votes at the botttom of their confidence interval, and ALL the other parties get votes at the very top of their confidence intervals, it's still a PCPO minority.
