this post was submitted on 11 Nov 2024
148 points (96.8% liked)

politics

19096 readers
3598 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 46 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 96 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Please, please, PLEASE raid workplaces. Fining employers has always been the solution, but neither party wants to actually go after them. Do it. Crash the economy, cause mass confusion and fear, destroy the employers. Let's see how that shakes out. I don't know any finer way to cause a massive backfire.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They might raid workplaces, but I doubt the outcome will be to fine employers. Those are the job creators!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If slaughter houses, chicken/egg farming, fruit picking, packaging, etc. comes screeching to a halt due to these raids then those employers stand to lose a ton of money as the food goes bad while they scramble to try to convince Joe MAGA to come work for them for a fraction of minimum wage.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

fraction of minimum wage

I do wonder if they might turn to using prison labor - and finding lots of reasons to throw more "undesirables" into the prison system to get that labor. Might be a lot of "war on drugs" stuff comes roaring back, esp. on something like cannabis...because it's ripe for highly selective enforcement.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Lol. They are going to have millions of "immigrants" concentrated in camps... why would they have an issue finding labor?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t surprise me at all, but even that would be a limited & unreliable resource. It would also require getting inmates to the farms, warehouses, etc. and keeping tabs on them while they work. That would be a logistical nightmare…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Maybe, but plenty of other tyrannies delighted in holding this kind of thing over their subjugated populations. Being efficient was not necessarily a goal when extracting labor from people in gulags and concentration camps.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Hope you don't need carpet installed or cleaned. The flooring industry is 99% foreign ran.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If they do everything they plan on doing in a short time frame, they're going to be lynched by their own supporters.

And I'm ready for it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There is no way he could do half of what was planned in the next couple years and still retain Congress after the midterms.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're assuming there will be midterms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

If they stop elections there won't even be a US anymore. So many of the states would fracture off. You would even see some red states not want to associate with one another.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Russia has elections... How's that been working for them?

This is what people voted for.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Yes, you're correct. There isn't a US anymore, because the fascists won.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Exactly. It's the employers that are illegally employing desperate illegals, paying them under the table so they both avoid taxes and pay the workers less than minimum wage.

And the employers that do this are always conservatives and trump supporters. They lose their cheap labor, and get caught breaking the law? I'd love to see it... But I'm not holding my breath.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

No my friend, the illegals are paying taxes. At least around here they are. AND they have an "employment" firm that skims $2/hr. straight off the top. And those employees are "illegal".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's always so much talk during the interim. Last time it took them 3 months to find the doorknobs of the oval office after inauguration day. This will be another high quality production.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

They do have Project 2025 as a guideline this time though. So we'll see how that works out, I guess. It's going to be all the true believers who probably don't have any actual management skills, but they'll at least be determined.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"please please please open the concentration camps."

Stop rooting for the worst possible outcomes. Wish for them to fuck up, get blocked and bumble their way into failure at implementing this. Wish for failure not "haha funnies" your way into ethnic cleansing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

May they accidentally raid a Mob-owned business.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Bubby it don't matter who owns it. We should have protections for undocumented immigrants so they can't be taken advantage of to such a degree, not wish that some bad guy has to pay a fine while his undocumented employees get arrested and deported.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I should clarify: i hope they try to go for people who shoot back.

I'd much rather they just leave people the fuck alone.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Let me finish that sentence for you

...at places and areas that don't bow down to Trump.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

See the thing is, the people who are behind the plans are through and through white nationalists. They are true believers, they want all of them gone and don't care about economic consequences or what wealth cares about.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago

Surely hell be deporting any illegal staff working at mar-a-lago and replace them with w2 employees.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What are the odds that these raids don’t prioritize all the red agricultural areas that rely on migrants for work?

Those areas are littered with Trump signs, but this policy would nuke their workforces.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Even in the blue states, the agricultural areas are pretty red.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

They are trying so hard to bring back slavery

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I wonder what giants like Tyson think about this plan?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Probably giddy that they'll be able to become even more of a monopoly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Bingo. This is the plot.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

They'll call up the raids before paychecks are supposed to be sent out. Oops guess that was free labor, oh well. We will hire another load of illegal immigrants for next week and maybe not get to pay them too.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

It's so easy to solve the problem. Massively punish the employers. But of course that's not the point, and that certainly will never be the answer.

Actually I'm not convinced it is a problem, but if you think it is, that's the obvious solution that will never happen.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago

they're giving the bigger illegal employers plenty of heads-up so they can muster up their big bribe payments and swear their fealty...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Let’s end the hypocrisy of blaming illegal immigrants every societal ill—while benefitting from their cheap and compliant labor—and staying silent about the complicity of employers’ role in the whole process. Raid workplaces. Deport illegal immigrants if that makes you feel better. But, absolutely imprison those business owners for aiding and abetting.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

They contributed like $90b to Medicare and SS in 2022, but the right doesn't talk about that part.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Trump will be great for the economy!

Trump: crashes economy

surprised pikachu face

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's Biden and the Democrats fault obviously, they set it up to fail and make trump look bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Yeah, pretty much.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Corporation: rubs hands for tax cuts

Corporation: forced to close or pay minimum wage???????

QUICK CORPOS ANTI LEOPARD MASKS INITATE!!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

They better be ready to pay for the downtime...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Damn straight! Maybe they'll actually start paying a fair wage! And boo hoo to anyone who refuses to do their own lawncare. It is not hard.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

For a lot of small to medium companies they'll probably just go out of business.

The chamber of commerce meetings are going to be a lot smaller.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Now now. This is a playground for bribery. You know it will be about friends and payoffs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

If you can't pay a fair wage, you don't deserve to be in business.