Manchin can suck my balls, what a fucking asshole.
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I doubt too many Democrats would vote for either of these two, so if it siphons away votes for Trump, good.
Unfortunately you're wrong.
Remember the huge number of Obama-Trump voters.
There's an ocean of people who do not understand left vs right. They don't have any core ideology that drives them. They vote based on absolute nonsense.
It's really tempting to think that people see the world the way you do. Don't be fooled. Most of them aren't taking the time to read political articles. They go through life giving no real thought to any of this.
Any third party player is a negative to Biden right now, even if it is "just" Manchin.
The election is won and lost on the 10% of independents within purple states, and this 'coalition' would batter left-leaning independents with ads
How fucking stupid would those voters have to be though?
Nearly every answer to "Why didn't Joe Biden do/fix X?" is either a) Republicans or b) Manchin and oh look who makes up this "unity" ticket.
Never underestimate just how uninformed swing voters are.
This. No swing voter is informed or committed ideologically to anything. Whether or not that was the case in the past. These days it is impossible. They just waffle back and forth from one choice to another. Trying to get the best outcome for themselves personally. And if they don't feel you've done enough for them personally. They'll waffle back to the other side.
As a WV native, for the love of everything you hold dear, DO NOT elect this fool/monster/coal Baron
A stark demonstration of the 'spoiler effect' that emerges in FPTP systems. In theory it can happen that 34% prefer X>Y>Z, 33% prefer Z>Y>X, 33% prefer Y>Z>X; everyone naively votes their first preference and so X wins even though 66% of voters agree X is the worst option and either Y or Z would be preferable.
a vote for a 3rd party candidate is a wasted vote.
I'd really like for us to adopt rank choice voting.
That's not true at all. If 20% of people wrote in Mickey Mouse for their vote, you can be damn sure both parties would be announcing their presidential runs at Disneyworld.
Even if a third party doesn't win, it's in the major party's best interest to adopt policies from that party in order to snipe voters from that third party because:
- That party knows those voters will show, it's a good investment.
- The other party might snipe those voters instead.
- If neither party adopts anything from that party, the party might grow.
Voting isn't just a form of choosing a candidate, it's a form of protest as well. One that takes far less time than a week of picketing. One that's very powerful as well. 20% of people willing to show up to the polls, and vote nothing... that's 20% of people willing to vote for the right person should they come along.
But they've never done so to date. So until they do so it is a wasted vote
Well this explains the the obsession with coal and WV last night on the right wing podcasts I get to overhear.
No Labels, the third-party bipartisan group that is considering launching a "unity" campaign in the 2024 presidential race, on Monday will host a major event to discuss its platform -- and will be joined by two notable politicians from across the aisle.
Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr., a Republican, will speak at the group's "Common Sense town hall" at Saint Anselm College in Manchester, New Hampshire.
It's almost like if they wanted to advance policy ideas they could do that through other means than an election run.
🤣🤣 I am not at all surprised its being thrown in Manchvegas.
The thing i'd like to ask the "no labels" party is, what's wrong with the centrist party we already have?
They are a wolf in sheep's clothing. Acting like this is anything else other than a political gambit to secure preferential treatment for whoever is ultimately financing the "no labels" grift is completely naive. A third party that is made up of the entrenched political elites of yester-year is just a prick measuring contest, an attempt to stay politically relevant, and a shot across the bow that if Democrats don't give in to their demands that they will let the psycopaths run the asylum.
Manchin and Sinema should of never been allowed in the Democratic party. They're clearly Republicans just looking to grease their palms and sleeze their way into any power they can get.
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