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A good read, and something we need to keep in mind with the referendum debate

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What an odd article. The Māori people signed a treaty with the Crown. This treaty was ignored by the government, and still seems to have no legal binding. A tribunal was created to call out breaches of the treaty. This tribunal is independent, was not created by the government, and any finding made by the tribunal can be disregarded by the government on a whim.

Yet at the end of the article, Minister Davis says that a Treaty would be a ‘unifying moment’? Why? Because it means that Indigenous Australians would have to try even harder to be heard?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Maybe we could do it right this time

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree it ends in a weird spot. From my experience as a wetjala/pākehā growing up in Pilbara town with indigenous Australian majority, and having lived in NZ from 2017-2021, I feel that NZ is a better example of cohabitation between indigenous ethnic groups and British colonists, not to mention many other Pasifika and other ethnic groups. I think with my individual frame of reference, the positive impact of actually honouring the treaty over time is clear to see in compared outcomes. Of course, this isn't to say Māori people enjoy equality of outcome to westerners. NZ continues to have a shocking amount of poverty, and I don't have any data to support my comparison favouring NZ. Just a bit of a shame that other than with use of language, the outcomes examined in the article seem totally abstract.

Also, I think the implied equivalence between the treaty of Waitangi and the indigenous Australian voice to parliament is silly and demonstrates an eagerness to forget the bloodiness of our history, which is not equally shared by NZ's. Neither in terms of casualties nor the recency of systemic discrimination.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

@unionagainstdhmo
Wow.

The headline that the ABC has put on this article is just plain misleading.

If Māori aren't offended by this article claiming to showing their message I'll be surprised.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Hey, just a little nudge, if you’re keen to chat about the Voice to Parliament, we’ve got this corker of a megathread where we can all have a good chinwag in one spot. But if you’re not up for that, no worries, it’s business as usual. Gotta keep things fair dinkum!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

What is it with these rage bait articles being shoved in our faces.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

here's a recent artcile on the voice referendum published by Black People's Union which I've found really helpful in informing my view

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Has anyone got any information about the Black People's Union? eg, the history of the organisation, who founded it and when, management, members and who the major sources of funds are etc? I couldn't find any information on their website.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looking into them a bit further they basically want all non-Indigenous Australians to leave or live under their system

Join the Black Peoples Union in the call for a treaty between the Sovereign Indigenous Nations of this continent and help us work towards a future where our rights and sovereignty are respected and upheld, and where the illegitimate state of Australia is dismantled and replaced by a Union of Sovereign Indigenous Nations in a true revolution and liberation of Indigenous peoples.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They have information about what the beliefs are and what is wanted.

Just none about anything else, so how can anybody tell if it's a legitimate organisation that represents the views of thousands of members, or one bloke standing on a soapbox? Eg, ANTAR clearly states "ANTAR is a non-government, not-for-profit, community-based organisation driven by a voluntary Board of Directors and a small, dedicated team of professional staff." and you can look at their annual reports, their Key people and so on.

I guess conspiracy theories, the internet and phone scams, and everything else has made me sceptical by default....

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Unlike many other political organisations and unions, the BPU receives no funding from the colonial Government or capitalist Corporations. We believe that a large part of self-determination is ridding ourselves from the constraints and conditions that come with being financially subservient to our exploiters and oppressors - only by being financially independent can we be in a position to challenge the capitalist and colonial structures.

from their donation page

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Almost two hundred years ago, Aotearoa's renowned Te Tiriti O Waitangi/Treaty of Waitangi was signed — a formal agreement between Māori chiefs and the British Crown that sought to bring together two cultures, two different worlds.

Land was confiscated under the New Zealand Settlements Act, Te Reo Māori was forbidden to be spoken and bloodshed and protests continued.

Not everyone supported the agreement or had the opportunity to sign — and despite this, three months later Captain William Hobson, New Zealand's first governor declared sovereignty over Aotearoa.

"Most of that comes from poverty, living low wage jobs where the labouring work, wears your body out earlier … that's 69 per cent higher than any other demographic in the country."

Dr Hickey says the Treaty and the Waitangi Tribunal play an important role ensuring Māori voices are guiding decisions and policies that affect them.

"The treaty actually gives me my rights as a Māori woman to be able to exercise and live in my cultural world as much as being a part of Aotearoa in a larger sense," she says.


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