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I feel like this is probably pretty effective. I feel like it should be a thing.

E: see also https://beehaw.org/post/16953380 E2: https://19thnews.org/2024/11/4b-movement-south-korea-social-media-trump-presidency/

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ciswomen were having sex?

Then wait, why are there so many incels?

Joking aside, there actually have been times when I've been at a social event and I'm gonna fuck a guy because why not... but he starts going off on incel bullshit and how far right he is because "Women aren't women" anymore, and I'm like... "Yeah I gotta go.." while thinking "Can't believe he talked his way OUT of a sure thing."

So I fully understand why there are so many incels.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Can't believe he talked his way OUT of a sure thing."

People are great at stealing defeat from the jaws of victory!

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago

Me, a lesbian: Aktivsm

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I mean, considering how many incels voted for trump, I think we're pretty much already there. Many of the young men who voted red this election already have no close relationships with any women their age. Obviously women should exercise their autonomy as they see fit. I don't expect it to change how anyone votes.

I'll probably be downvoted for this, but progressives have spent the last several years actively shutting down lines of communication with men, particularly white men. For the best of reasons, sure, but it hasn't been an effective strategy for winning elections.

Maybe this would sway some group of center-left men who didn't bother voting, but realistically I expect it will have no effect on the ongoing polarization, or exagerrate it.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 days ago (9 children)

so, because punishing all women is bad, it’s a good idea to punish all men?
here’s an alternative: don’t fuck republicans… they’re the ones trying to control women.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (15 children)

It's not punishing anyone as much as asserting our bodily autonomy, but go off. Targeting Republicans means no pressure is applied to anyone else to change society. Not every woman will participate in the strike. The effects of it have to be wide reaching.

It's a widespread denial of the institutions behind gender relationships. Saying that the system is dangerous for women and refusing to participate in it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (9 children)

They're not obligated to date men though, if they want to participate in 4B then I don't see what's wrong with that. They are allowed to assert their bodily autonomy, it's a form of protest against how they are treated

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I give it about 6 months of this strategy before conservative men will be paid to pretend to be leftists in order to impregnate women, so I understand the "don't fuck any man" strategy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

They already do that btw

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are lots of men that hide how conservative they are to get their dick wet. It's been this way for at least 13 years.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 days ago (15 children)

I feel like this is probably pretty effective. I feel like it should be a thing.

It isn't. They will simply import women from other countries. And this election alone proves the fact that all women are not a monolithic group. You're not going to get a majority to follow this trend.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The problem, if you look at the data, is lots of women voted for Trump too.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

White women specifically. I'm sure they're uneducated also

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

There's women who say they'd vote against womens right to vote, you can't trust people to vote for their best interests.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Do what you want. I don't give a fuck.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don't give a fuck

Ah, see what you did there.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Everyone in here arguing against 4b need to take a look in the mirror. The fact that so many of you are trying push against it is in itself a demonstration of why it's necessary. Respecting bodily autonomy does not have to be hard.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Bodily autonomy is the ability to choose 4b, not the reason to do so. Folks arguing against 4b have not disrespected the ability to do 4b. Therefore bodily autonomy is still respected.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago

"It's over internet commenter! I have portrayed you negatively in a meme, showing you as the naive you are"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Yes, posting a message on the internet while violating nobody's personal space or rights is exactly the same as that picture. You did it! You won the internet! You can go away now.

Go away

Now

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Jokes on you, they're just going to go full Roman Empire and take twink concubines, apparently.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

Matt Gaetz has entered the chat

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago

Given how reactionary the average Gen Z guys are, this is less of a protest and more of a self-preservation tactic.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Because young men will have a much easier time getting laid when abortion is restricted nationwide and contraceptives are harder to get 🙄 talk about shooting yourself in the dick

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (4 children)

It's interesting that the response to men going their own way (MGTOW) is indifference or at most pity whilst WGTOW are met with hostility.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

Mgtow was not met with indifference. They've been consistently criticized since the movement first started, and they quickly evolved into a cabal of Nazi-adjacent freaks. Fuck those guys.

There may be some good that could come from a men's movement for self actualization and improvement, but mgtow sure as shit wasn't that

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

MGTOW should be indifferent, but they kinda got hijacked into another red pill BS place. Their lives revolve around hate for women and not actually going your own way and finding what makes you content.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Except for a million articles like:

The ‘Men Going Their Own Way’ movement is the Taliban of the manosphere

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/politics/article/men-going-their-own-way-movement

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Given that the new agenda is to end birth control, no-fault divorce and spousal rape laws, a lot of women are about to have no say past the first one. Don't get married, and if you're in a bad marriage try to get out ASAP.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I started this in 2016 in the lead up to the election. Got sterilized in 2022 after the Dobbs decision leaked. Too many guys are secret misogynists at best, and pro rape/anti-abortion at worst. The lectures I had to do to convince my ex that rape is rape, whether you fight off the perp or not.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, and men who support women's right. Need to support this as well.

Seriously, look at recent events in Texas. Having sex with women while republicans are in power. It is a potential death sentence for those women.

Unless you can groove beyond doubt, one off you is infertile. And honestly, given the way some republicans are. Only trust your own eyes on the microscope when checking. Because forcing doctors to lie to women is far from beyond some of these people.

Honestly, leaving the US for a more liberal nation is the only safe option the way things are looking.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn't this just create even more conservatives if they are the only ones having children? Seems counterintuitive.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (11 children)

I wonder if this results in more kids being raised in brainwashy conservative families.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

I'm fine with no sex if those Nazi men can't have any too!

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