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[alt text: a screenshot of a tweet by @delaney_nolan, which says, "Biden/Harris saw this polling and decided to keep unconditionally arming Israel". Below the tweet is a screenshot from an article, which states: "In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they'd be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they'd be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely."]

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Having trouble seeing those who (non-)voted for ending democracy, women's rights, and oppression of LGBTQ+ and non-christians as allies. Not enthusiastic about the candidate? I don't care. If they're going to do less harm, they're the only ethical choice. The basic numbers showed that one of two candidates would win. Ignoring that and the suffering that would be caused to vulnerable groups by one candidate for ideological purity is a hard thing to forgive.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Then get used to losing elections, I guess. You generally can't change a person's mind unless they already respect you.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

The people you want to blame aren't here in a politics community. Maybe a few posters here did a protest vote, probably in a safe state where it didn't matter, but most people here voted. The people who didn't vote (in numbers meaningful to winning) weren't sitting down to think about what the world would be like in each outcome and then saying "eh, it's fine either way", they were marginal voters who just didn't really think it was important because politicians either don't care about them or don't follow through on promises. They're just going to check out when you call them or the other politician names, because it's a tiring endeavor that they don't care about. You definitely have people in your life that say "they're not political" and check out as soon as politics is brought up. You're never going to reach those voters by expressing your disdain in a forum for politically engaged people, the only way to get to them is to actually motivate them to vote en masse with legit campaigns to inspire them that their lives will get better if they take this action.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Got a link to the quoted article, by chance?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don't use Xitter so all I can see is the single tweet and it's just an image, no attribution.

Found an article but it doesn't link to the source either.

https://zeteo.com/p/poll-harris-democrats-gaza-ceasefire-arms-embargo

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

There's this for methodology, at the end of the article:

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everyone here missing the point...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I want to build a broad-based coalition that marginalizes these fascists so we never again have to choose between a fascist and a genocide-enabler. But nah, let's just stay in our echo chambers and tear each other to shreds while society crumbles outside.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just want to clarify I was referring to the comments and not your post. I will be right there with you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I know I got that! I was just adding to the sentiment. If anything, I'm getting the sense that more here agree with us than disagree, and I find that heartening.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sorry but is there a source for this poll? I’m curious how this data was collected? (And am always skeptical of data cited in a toot without a source).

Edit: Just saw it is said to be YouGov survey from June with a small sample size, although no link is provided.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Instead they opted to air opposing views in Michigan and Pennsylvania

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