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Hans Niemann was accused of cheating after he beat Norwegian grandmaster Magnus Carlsen last September.

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This was a joke invented by r/anarchychess. I'd be amazed if it were real.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I remember when I first heard the rumours and I immediately thought of how sensitive one's anal linings would be to perceive Morse code via a butt plug. Then pondered upon the max possible bandwidth of buttplug-mediated information transfer. Finally, I thought about how to send back information via rythmic anal clenching.

Only then did I conclude that it's probably easier to get better at chess.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A YouTuber tested it and confirmed it's not that difficult to detect messages. They didn't use Morse code but rather a simplified set of signals for move notation

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's in the ankles, right? I guess even if it's a different part of the body than the inside of one's butt (a sensitive part of the body), makes it plausible that it's also possible for communication (perhaps one-way—towards the plug wearer).

I'm assuming the accomplice would then be watching through some camera feed, right? That makes it at least plausible since there's no need for kegels (to send information the other way).

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If it's the same video I saw, it was the ankle guy. And yeah, when it comes to historical cases of chess cheating (almost always at a lower skill level) they'll either use some form of chess computer that they sneak away to use, or have an accomplice and a one way method of communication.

Another thing to keep in mind is that often times players at this level don't need to cheat every move, they just need to be given the correct move at an important moment and they'll be good enough to understand why they are being told to do that.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, in terms of the other direction, the game would theoretically have an audience and livestream.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

The thing is that the game was broadcast live. One-way communication was enough

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need an expert on this. You gotta go find the guy that designed that butt plug revolver with the clench activated trigger.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Wait, what?! That's actually a thing now?!

Not really up to speed with butt-tech. Hahaha! There goes my search history!

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Best joke about that I saw was a video of Hans playing someone and looking confident up until a blunder or something. Then he realizes what happened and puts his face in his hands and closes his eyes.

The comment on the YouTube video was: "when the computer gives up and then switches to pleasure mode"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I play chess and I have a... a friend who uses a vibrator

So ofc it's real, just not Hans

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's what I meant. It's not that it's not real, but the origin of the meme was Hans saying something to the effect of "I'll play Magnus naked to prove I'm not cheating" to which everyone responded that the anal beads technique would be how he did it. Of course the corollary of that is that there are numerous ways for him to cheat while fully clothed.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasn't there a documentary about this with Danny Devito?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. It was very informative. Highly recommend!

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read the title as "dies" instead of "denies".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Should have gone with the WifiVibe Bullet, rather than the Hitachi XXXL AssBlaster Deluxe (with memory foam balls).

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For those who haven't seen it- even if you don't have a background in data science or chess, this report is extremely damning. He's an unapologetic, manipulative, pernicious cheater.

https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's 72 pages. Are there any highlights for interested non chess fanatics?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The basic measure is “accuracy”: the percentage of moves that are the best move for that position. Computers are, as you would expect, inhumanly good on this measure. Better than the best human players, who will have “inaccuracies” even in their best-played games. It makes spotting cheaters pretty reliable and easy. Niemann has been busted for cheating online repeatedly, and analysis of his in-person play bears the same hallmarks.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

BBC article summarizing some of the suspicions and evidence or lack thereof.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63140246

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not convinced by that report. Their cheating detection method is inconclusive and if Hans had the ability to perform the "best" move in every circumstance due to cheating but didn't, that to me points to it being less likely. There are a lot of statistics in that report that seem extremely circumstantial like the "plateaus" in strength rating. If he was really cheating in the tournaments, I think there would be a whole lot more evidence.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

This is "a whole lot of evidence". If he had, for example, a 10% chance to show up suspicious in any one of those charts that's one thing. But to be highlighted as the most suspicious in each is extraordinary evidence. How do you explain a greater than 10% drop in skill when a 15 minute TV delay was put in place? Or his ability to make incredibly complex, perfect moves in seconds? Or his continual, nearly unstoppable strength rating growth, you know, except for the two natural plateaus in rating where most players never continue to grow firmly in the middle of his growth curve?

If that report doesn't convince you, I doubt anything will.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If he always did what the engine tells him to do then the evidence would be overwhelming, yes. Hans is surely aware of this and avoids doing so because he wants to get away with it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Uhhhmmm, I don’t want to be intrusive, but how exactly does one use small beads to cheat at chess? I’m trying to figure this out, …but I keep losing anyway.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Mike Boyd did a video on this a while back and was able to successfully beat a pro chess player using a vibrator on his ankle:

https://piped.video/watch?v=5uDM3fPeNFM

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imagine Nieman's surprise once he discovered you were only supposed to put it on your ankle

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah. The whole comment section seems like it's super obvious... but seriously... how does one cheat with anal vibrators?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's important to remember that he is certainly still very good at chess, even if he cheated in some games. He wouldn't need to have every move given to him, it might even be enough to give him a single signal that there is a non-obvious great move in a current position. Even just knowing that would probably be enough for him to find it by himself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That's a good point. You wouldn't need to send an entire move. If you simply sent a message indicating which piece is the best to move, the player probably can find the place to move that piece.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

One possibility might be: a number of buzzes assigned to each piece type, followed by 2 sets of buzzes for coordinates. Actually swapping those could make him even faster if the piece is implied by the coordinates. It's unlikely he doesn't know the coordinates like the back of his hand so they could deliver them at a high rate. He still probably needs to be somewhat good on his own though for the endgame when his clock is running low.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is mostly correct (standard chess notation is slightly more compact than what you described; a typical move looks like "Nf6", meaning kNight to F6. Normally there will only ever be one piece of the appropriate type that can reach any particular square, so only destination coordinates are needed. If it's necessary to say which piece, then you just give origin and destination, but omit the piece, since it's implied by the origin, so moves are typically 3 characters, never more than 4).

As a form of cheating, the use of what are generally called "thumpers" has been around for a long time. In casinos you would have a confederate sitting at an angle where they can see the dealer's hand, who would then signal to you what moves to make. In chess they would be watching the game, constantly plugging every move into a chess program like Stockfish, and then signalling what move the computer chooses. Your opponent is effectively playing the computer, not you.

Typical thumpers are a vibrating band that goes around a leg, or something hidden in the sole of a shoe. All you have to do is sit there and look thoughtful while you decode the message, which is most likely sent using Morse code. Where the sex toys come in is this wild theory concocted by the internet that a really good way to hide a thumper from any kind of frisking would be to use a Bluetooth controlled anal vibrator, since no one is likely to frisk you there. There's no proof that it's ever happened, but now it's a huge meme that chess is basically stuck with forever.

And yes, time is still an issue. Good players can move a lot faster than the time it takes for all that back and forth communication. The strategy, if someone ever suspects they're playing a cheater, is to play defensively and run out the clock.

(edited for clarity)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Didn’t you see the always sunny episode?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Morgan continued: "To be clear, on the specific allegation - have you ever used anal beads while playing chess?"

The 20-year-old replied: "Well, your curiosity is a bit concerning, you know - maybe you're personally interested, but I can tell you, no.

I don't know about you but when I appear in a very serious interview and talk about the multimillion dollar damage an unfounded allegations has done to my career, I really want to make sure that I include some weird kink shaming right there in my defense. That will surely make me seem like a serious person that sponsors can trust.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it was rather commenting on the interviewer's inappropriate intrusiveness into an intimate topic rather than kinkshaming. Understandable that Niemann got defensive there, IMO.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's literally the allegation.

How do you interview without asking about the allegation?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the meme allegation, the real allegation is just cheating without any butt stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Still the greatest story I've ever read. I'll tell my grandchildren about this one day, and that's when they will put me in a home.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Well seeing as chess.com has reinstated his account. We have no reason to not believe him

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

"Release the butt plug cut!"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The fact that's a thing is hilarious.

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