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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The actual answer is that the seatbelt is there to keep your ragdoll ass from bouncing off the ceiling during heavy turbulence.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

I read this horrible post a few years ago where a PoS passenger didn't buckle up. So the car drove off a cliff, her body flew and killed people in the back seat who were buckled up. The driver survived since he was buckled in.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago

For sure, anyone who has seen some of the videos of drink carts and luggage bouncing off the cabin ceilings during crazy turbulence shouldn't have any questions about the utility of seatbelts in less than catastrophic events.... Which of course is the goal even in 'crash' landings. There are crashes where seatbelts would obviously be worthless, but in anything short of that, you'll be happy that you weren't in a box with 300 human shaped dice being shaken up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

That joke was made by Miguel Gila, a Spaniard comedian, decades ago.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (7 children)

Stupid question here, I guess, but why isn't there a system to potentially deliver commercial passengers and crew to the ground in case of a crash? Military jets have ejection seats and parachutes, so why don't we have at least something required for commercial aircraft in the same vein?

Is it the money that it would undoubtedly require?

Edit: misspelling

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Not a stupid question.

Between the training required for a solo parachute jump, and the cost (and more importantly) weight of the equipment, plus the relative safety of commercial flights, it's simply not justified.

In more than a few cases we've seen airliners make emergency landings that are gnarly, but the majority survive. In more cases than I can count, there's checks and balances that ground flights because of safety concerns either at the departure point or at the destination (icing, high winds, etc), or due to mechanical concerns.

It's rare that a fully inspected and functional aeroplane will fall out of the sky, and we do everything in our power to ensure that all planes that leave the ground are fully inspected and functional. Short of a freak occurrence, like a fast forming weather phenomenon, there's so many checks and balances that airliner crashes are exceedingly rare.

So not only is a crash rare, there's no guarantee that a crash will be fatal, usually the pilot can at least get the plane on the ground without killing everyone aboard, and the fact that it's a massive amount of extra weight that requires training that the average person doesn't have, there's little point and nearly nothing to gain from doing something like that, while it would have significant downsides on flight efficiency and increase the costs of fuel per flight due to the extra weight.

Then there's the consideration of, even if they were able to successfully parachute to the ground, what then? It's pretty much a guarantee that nobody has a radio, and that you're far enough away from civilization that your cellphone doesn't work, so now you have hundreds of people spread out over potentially thousands of miles of terrain/water/whatever that you now need weeks to search and rescue everyone. Taking weeks on search and rescue, pretty much guarantees that you'll find people who landed safely, then died from exposure to the environment.

On the flip side, if everyone is in the plane when it crashes then all you need to do is find the plane; everyone will be in that general area, whether alive or dead.

There's just too many downsides to having parachutes on board to make it feasible.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

Damn. That was thorough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Honestly, I do understand that ejector seats are not a good idea, but I was thinking something more like this. It's more like a lifeboat and would be equipped as such to address the same sort of concerns a disaster at sea would require to allow folks to survive and be tracked.

I get that the expense and weight appear prohibitive, but it's insane to me that we put people 30,000 feet in the air with no plan other than prevention and measures that don't completely address all dangers.

I know nothing will likely ever be done in this vein, and probably rightfully so, but it sure feels like airlines are the ultimate "you pays your money and you takes your chance" experience. Given my own limited experience with flying, it increasingly scares the hell out of me personally. I didn't have occasion to fly until I was in late middle age, and I found the experience thoroughly terrifying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I remember seeing an article back in the 90s or maybe even 80s that was exploring the possibility of the entire passenger compartment separating from the wings and rest of the fuselage and parachuting down in the event of a major failure. The thing is, it would be ridiculously expensive to implement, and there are very few situations where such a system would be any better than keeping the plane in one piece.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, escape pods have been implemented in some aircraft in the past, but the idea has always ended without wide scale adoption for the reasons so many have stated here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Parachuting isn't as easy as pulling a wire and gently floating to the ground. Those who parachute professionally take hundreds of hours of training. If you're brand new, you're required to strap yourself to a professional.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 hours ago

Throwing untrained people out of a commercial airliner at high speed in the middle of a emergency is a good way to ensure no one survives. The equipment would add a significant amount of space, fuel and maintenance burden too, and require major compromises to the aircraft design itself. All to resolve a problem that effectively never happens.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

An explosive release canopy for an ejection seat system on an airliner would just release the entire top half of the plane, and don't forget that fighter pilots are both wearing flightsuits and get specific training for the event.

Even beyond the material and engineering costs it's a difficult ask, probably better to just focus on reliability in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Ok but what about instead of an explosive release canopy, the crew just sorta loosen some of the bolts holding the top of the plane on, then the pilot flies upside-down to gently tip everyone out of their seats

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Sounds perfect, no notes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

"You'll find lifejackets and parachutes under your seat. In case of an emergency, hold on to your butts."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Some valid answers are already given by other commentators. Just want to highlight that commercial airlines are operating barely cost positive. Every extra bit of cost added has to be at least covered by some other stream of revenue. How much more money can a seat in these crammed airliners make to cover the cost of R&Ding and maintaining additional safety measures?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Commercial airlines make a fuckton of money, but not in economy passenger travel. Cargo and elite passengers make the money.

E: Delta made over 50 billion last year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

That’s revenue, their profit was closer to $4.6bn which, whilst a big number, is a margin of under 8%.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Rigging a commercial airline with that many ejection seats would add significant weight to the plane. You'd probably triple the cost of commercial airflight if you did this just from reduced seating capacity, and even assuming that it could be implemented without that overhead I still don't think this would actually help much.

Imagine you're on Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 in a 737 Max nosediving towards the ground and the roof just opens up and launches you and all 148 of your fellow passengers out of the plane at 400MPH. Somehow I imagine that you just end up scattering the mangled corpses over a wider area.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Just carrying a few hundred escape chutes would add significant weight to the plane. Have you ever worn an emergency escape chute? I have. It's like having a chair strapped to your back and ass.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Into the middle of the Atlantic ocean

[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

In the event of catastrophic damage leading to explosive decompression it should keep you from being sucked out into thin air. Like if the roof tears off like that one time. Or that Boeing thing. Or that other Boeing thing. Or that other other Boeing thing.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 hours ago

The roof tearing off was a Boeing. an Aloha Airlines 737.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 hours ago

Or keep you from bouncing and hitting the ceiling in cases of extreme turbulence. Or yo help on cases of lower-speed crashes (cases where the plane goes into some nosedive are less likely), etc.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

.....what? Obviously. It's for turbulence, which is common. This comic is a joke, but not how it's intended to be.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

No, comics are the primary legitimate source of facts so I'm sure it's true.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

That sounds a bit sketchy... Now if you had presented that statement in comic form, I might believe it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Don't feel bad about it. It's common.

People who shout, "It's just a joke!" Forget that sometimes, memes is the only time a person thought about that problem and now it's what they believe.

We're not going to stop Shitposting any time soon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Here it is from the 1947 issue of, "Всегда лжец"

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

AI 😮‍💨

I'm not a good artist, and I'm a terrible public speaker. When I was born, the doctor looked at me and said, "This child is destined to be a software engineer."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Is that better or worse than being told you have a face for radio?

[–] [email protected] 64 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

If you follow avherald.com for any length of time, you'll learn that 1) the vast majority of aviation incidents are completely benign, and 2) the vast majority of injuries aboard airliners are caused by passengers not wearing their seatbelts. The seatbelts aren't there for the once-a-decade crash; they're there for the once-a-month strong turbulence event, which the airplane itself will barely even notice.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

And in the rare horrific crash, the seat will not remain attached to the floor anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

In one accident the only one who survived was a girl who stayed strapped into her seat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliane_Koepcke

Some theorize that staying strapped in saved her life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

As many as 14 other passengers were later discovered to have survived the initial crash but died while waiting to be rescued.

Jesus, what shit luck for them...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Ehhh. Aircraft seat rails are pretty freaking durable and the way seats attach to them are generally extremely secure. I wouldnt be surprised if the floor ripped away before the seat.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

rare non-horny Extra Fabulous comic

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

The seat belt is hiding his boner.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

there's probably just missing frames

[–] [email protected] 467 points 1 day ago (37 children)

It straps you to the seat so when the plane suddenly drops 50 feet due to turbulence your dumbass doesn't launch into the ceiling.

[–] [email protected] 180 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Yeah, and this is a much more frequent thing than crashes. I've been on planes multiple times when there was sudden turbulence and people without seatbelts lifted out of their seats. I don't think any of my personal experiences resulted in someone hitting their head, but that happens. There was just video of one earlier this year.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 20 hours ago

I like the use of perspective in that last panel

[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 day ago (10 children)

That factoid is from a decade or two ago, when clear air turbulence was a lot rarer. Nowadays, due to global warming, turbulence coming out of nowhere is more common, and on occasion results in unbelted passengers being thrown into the ceiling and severely injured.

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