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[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Is it invisible to accessibility options as well? Like if I need a computer to tell me what the assignment is, will it tell me to do the thing that will make you think I cheated?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Disability accomodation requests are sent to the professor at the beginning of each semester so he would know which students use accessibility tools

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes and no, applying for accommodations is as fun and easy as pulling out your own teeth with a rubber chicken.

It took months to get the paperwork organised and the conversations started around accommodations I needed for my disability, I realised halfway through I had to simplify what I was asking for and just deal with some less than accessible issues because the process of applying for disability accommodations was not accessible and I was getting rejected for simple requests like "can I reserve a seat in the front row because I can't get up the stairs, and I can't get there early because I need to take the service elevator to get to the lecture hall, so I'm always waiting on the security guard"

My teachers knew I had a physical disability and had mobility accommodations, some of them knew that the condition I had also caused a degree of sensory disability, but I had nothing formal on the paperwork about my hearing and vision loss because I was able to self manage with my existing tools.

I didn't need my teachers to do anything differently so I didn't see the point in delaying my education and putting myself through the bureaucratic stress of applying for visual accommodations when I didn't need them to be provided to me from the university itself.

Obviously if I'd gotten a result of "you cheated" I'd immediately get that paperwork in to prove I didn't cheat, my voice over reader just gave me the ChatGPT instructions and I didn't realise it wasn't part of the assignment.... But that could take 3-4 months to finalise the accommodation process once I become aware that there is a genuine need to have that paperwork in place.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Ok but will those students also be deceived?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think here the challenge would be you can't really follow the instruction, so you'd ask the professor what is the deal, because you can't find any relevant works from that author.

Meanwhile, ChatGPT will just forge ahead and produce a report and manufacture a random citation:

Report on Traffic Lights: Insights from Frankie Hawkes

......

References

    Hawkes, Frankie. (Year). Title of Work on Traffic Management.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I wish more teachers and academics would do this, because I"m seeing too many cases of "That one student I pegged as not so bright because my class is in the morning and they're a night person, has just turned in competent work. They've gotta be using ChatGPT, time to report them for plagurism. So glad that we expell more cheaters than ever!" and similar stories.

Even heard of a guy who proved he wasn't cheating, but was still reported anyway simply because the teacher didn't want to look "foolish" for making the accusation in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 162 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 106 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I think most students are copying/pasting instructions to GPT, not uploading documents.

[–] [email protected] 152 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Right, but the whitespace between instructions wasn't whitespace at all but white text on white background instructions to poison the copy-paste.

Also the people who are using chatGPT to write the whole paper are probably not double-checking the pasted prompt. Some will, sure, but this isnt supposed to find all of them its supposed to catch some with a basically-0% false positive rate.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah knocking out 99% of cheaters honestly is a pretty good strategy.

And for students, if you're reading through the prompt that carefully to see if it was poisoned, why not just put that same effort into actually doing the assignment?

[–] [email protected] 90 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, so forgive me, but I expect carefully reading the prompt is still orders of magnitude less effort than actually writing a paper?

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

I like to royally fuck with chatGPT. Here's my latest, to see exactly where it draws the line lol:

https://chatgpt.com/share/671d5d80-6034-8005-86bc-a4b50c74a34b

TL;DR: your internet connection isn't as fast as you think

[–] [email protected] 113 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the hiway.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Ages ago, there was a time where my dad would mail back up tapes for offsite storage because their databases were large enough that it was faster to put it through snail mail.

It should also be noted his databases were huge, (they’d be bundled into 70 pound packages and shipped certified.)

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[–] [email protected] 140 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Just takes one student with a screen reader to get screwed over lol

[–] [email protected] 98 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

A human would likely ask the professor who is Frankie Hawkes.. later in the post they reveal Hawkes is a dog. GPT just hallucinate something up to match the criteria.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago

The students smart enough to do that, are also probably doing their own work or are learning enough to cross check chatgpt at least..

There's a fair number that just copy paste without even proof reading...

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 days ago

For those that didn't see the rest of this tweet, Frankie Hawkes is in fact a dog. A pretty cute dog, for what it's worth.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 5 days ago (13 children)

Easily by thwarted by simply proofreading your shit before you submit it

[–] [email protected] 69 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Is it? If ChatGPT wrote your paper, why would citations of the work of Frankie Hawkes raise any red flags unless you happened to see this specific tweet? You'd just see ChatGPT filled in some research by someone you hadn't heard of. Whatever, turn it in. Proofreading anything you turn in is obviously a good idea, but it's not going to reveal that you fell into a trap here.

If you went so far as to learn who Frankie Hawkes is supposed to be, you'd probably find out he's irrelevant to this course of study and doesn't have any citeable works on the subject. But then, if you were doing that work, you aren't using ChatGPT in the first place. And that goes well beyond "proofreading".

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are professional cheaters and there are lazy ones, this is gonna get the lazy ones.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago

I wouldn't call "professional cheaters" to the students that carefully proofread the output. People using chatgpt and proofreading content and bibliography later are using it as a tool, like any other (Wikipedia, related papers...), so they are not cheating. This hack is intended for the real cheaters, the ones that feed chatgpt with the assignment and return whatever hallucination it gives to you without checking anything else.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Bold of you to assume students proofread what chatGPT spits out

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago

But that's fine than. That shows that you at least know enough about the topic to realise that those topics should not belong there. Otherwise you could proofread and see nothing wrong with the references

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Ah yes, pollute the prompt. Nice. Reminds me of how artists are starting to embed data and metadata in their pieces that fuck up AI training data.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago (3 children)

And all maps have fake streets in them so you can tell when someone copied it

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 5 days ago (38 children)

My college workflow was to copy the prompt and then "paste without formatting" in Word and leave that copy of the prompt at the top while I worked, I would absolutely have fallen for this. :P

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Something I saw from the link someone provided to the thread, that seemed like a good point to bring up, is that any student using a screen reader, like someone visually impaired, might get caught up in that as well. Or for that matter, any student that happens to highlight the instructions, sees the hidden text, and doesnt realize why they are hidden and just thinks its some kind of mistake or something. Though I guess those students might appear slightly different if this person has no relevant papers to actually cite, and they go to the professor asking about it.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 days ago

Btw, this is an old trick to cheat the automated CV processing, which doesn't work anymore in most cases.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Doesn't help if students manually type the assignment requirements instead of just copying & pasting the entire document in there

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Or, you know, if you read the prompt before sending, look at the question after you've selected it, or just read your own work once. This method will only work if students are being really stupid about cheating.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

And is harmful for people like me, who like to copy paste the pdf into a markdown file write answers there and send a rendered pdf to professors. While I keep the markdowns as my notes for everything. I'd read the text I copied.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Chatgpt does this request contain anything unusual for a school assignment ?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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