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oh ok... didn't realize what type of antiwar community this was. I'm sure he was a great guy then, that deserves this celebration.
If you don't want a war in Ukraine, the Ukrainians aren't the ones you should be asking to end hostilities.
Russia had conditions to avoid war that are the same as those to end war. Extremely similar to JFK's red lines over Cuba missiles. You need Ukraine to be in NATO, have US nuclear missile bases and to remain nazified? JFK was right to threaten a defensive invasion of Cuba. Americans, just as Russians today, would have supported it. Ukraine directly provoked the war, and has no humanist reason to rule over people it hates and has been killing.
In what way did Ukraine provoke the war? Did they fire the first shots?
Absolutely. They shelled Donbas since 2014. Minsk accords signed by US/West were entirely dedicated to solving Ukraine's nazi violence.
Why would they be shelling the Donbas Region starting in 2014? Who was in there for them to bomb? Why would they need to bomb a region within their own internationally recognised borders?
US led a coup in 2014. Afterwards, new leaders imposed apartheid laws against ethnic Russians including cancelling pension for ethnic Russians. Leaders also set national holidays for its ww2 nazi heroes. The east of the country/Donbas is where most Russians are. Crimea was liberated, but Donbas only asked for autonomy within Ukraine. US armed, nazi paramalitaries, best known being Azov battalion, shelled and raided Donbas killing about 5000 between 2014 and 2022. They were attacked for daring to demand the same rights they had always had as Ukrainians, and that the new US/Nazi regime was not something worth submitting to.
The problem with your version of history is that there is nothing for me to refute because it's factually incongruous with the actual events that took place.
This is why nobody wants to try to converse with russian state shills. You have a completely wrong version of events and won't back down from it.
The government installed prior to 2014 was an illegal government puppet for the Russians. All evidence points to that being the truth. Even allies of Russia called that election a brazen theft of the democratic system in Ukraine.
Have you taken a moment to think that by 2014, 23 years following independence from the Soviet union, that Ukrainians were sick and tired of being under the thumb of imperialist soviet doctrine alive and well in Russia?
What about the countless treaties and agreements that Russia would leave Ukraine alone and uphold international borders?
Does it not make sense to defend yourself? Especially when these forces you claim were wrongfully murdered for demanding liberty were... Russian soldiers and russian people's forcefully displaced by... Russia.
Do Russians (and western Putin supporters for that matter) have an unusually high rate of domestic violence?
It strikes me that this whole spin that Ukraine "provoked" Russia's invasion is basically identical to the stereotypical wife beater's claim that she "provoked" his violence.
And I wouldn't be surprised if people who tend to believe the one tend to believe the other too.
2014 US manufactured coup, was a Ukrainian turning point, that pivoted its solid alliance with USSR/Russia towards its nazi rebelious faction that was given power by US. Link proves those nazi roots are strong still today. Anyone awake should know that US wants this war. There cannot simultaneously be a "vital strategic interest for war to continue" and no provocation for it occurring. Nazis volunteering Ukrainians to die to diminish Russia is too good of an opportunity to risk nuclear war, and western media disinformation seems to make everyone love this.
Even if all that were true^1^, it still doesn't justify Russia's invasion. Russia doesn't own Russian speaking Ukrainians. Russia has neither the duty nor right to invade to "protect" Russian speaking minorities in any country.
^1^ It isn't
Russia doesn’t own Russian speaking Ukrainians. Russia has neither the duty nor right to invade to “protect” Russian speaking minorities in any country.
NATO decided in 90s that ethnic Albanians were being abused with less overt evidence, and intervened on humanitarian basis. Russia got west to admit to Ukraine nazi problem in Minsk accords. Zelensky campaign platform was based on peace/autonomy in Donbas according to Minsk accords, and on denazifying/stopping the paramilitaries. Russia made every effort for peace. Peace was never an option for US.