Anarchism

Just as I support Ukraine, even though they are far from anarchists, (because I see them as victims of imperialism and I see the Ukrainian state as less oppressive than the Russian one), I can imagine it is not necessarily contrarian for an anarchist to support a state. I have an ideal world I can imagine which takes an anarcho-communist form, but also a more pragmatic ideology within the current state of affairs in the world. I imagine a lot of anarchists have this.

As a sidenote I think Hexbear and Lemmy.ml (Or any leninists) tend to lean heavily towards authoritarianism and I think that that is contradictory to anarchist pricinciples in itself. The “AES” tend to be as oppressive if not more than western capitalist ones and monopolise violence to a greater degree.

AES is a solid symmetric encryption standard. I support the use of it. However I think you might be referring to something else?

From what I've gathered, Hexbear is just incredibly tankie driven. It wouldn't surprise me if there are self-proclaimed "anarchists" on there that are just tankies painted black, du to social pressure.

As many have pointed out: anarchists usually don't support "AES". The spectrum I've seen ranges from "1917 was actually a bourgeois revolution" to "they tried but got corrupted in some way".

> "Actually existing socialism"

> look inside

> capitalism, but the state is the capitalist

What? Anarchism is generally anti-statist and socialists sure love to shoot anarchists. By the logic of AES, Anarchists should support Assad and not the YPG since one is "anti-imperialist" and the other exists due to US military support.

There's a ton of ways to be an anarchist and the diversity of ideas is something generally celebrated, but the one minimum requirement is that you aren't supportive of states (and hierarchy of course, but I'm just talking about the literal meaning of anarchy here), especially authoritarian states...

Oh.

Not Advanced Encryption Standard. Right.

No, I don't support EAS in that context, because none of the states that they're citing are anything other than deeply, profoundly authoritarian.

If there's anarchists on Hexbear and none of them speak against AES, it's because they know not to mention it.

I guess I could see some anarchists support vague nonsense that sounds similar to an ML. Like having even less sympathy for an openly capitalist regime than ones that are or purport to be socialist. But they're obviously not anarchists if they genuinely support some states.

That makes about as much sense as "anarcho-capitalism". Of course it's no fun to have your mental gymnastics questioned outside of Hexbear 😅

But ok, for the sake of argument, maybe a dysfunctional late-stage AES is a more suitable ground for building something in the shell of the old. At least people in these states know from first hand experience just how bad state control can get.

Edit: curious that you left out China in your list of AES.

Hexbear anarchists are sus, all two of them. I won't say they're categorically not anarchists, but I'm going to be automatically suspicious of any anarchist that loves hanging out with Leninists.

No. Broadly the way I've squared it is that I support specific policies and adopting of said policies, where even if they are not anarchist in principle properly benefit the working class or limit oppression in some capacity, if a state implements these I will support that decision, but not the existence of that state or more generally a state at all.

I feel as though most marxist leninists types of people want to divide people on other countries issues while not fixing issues where they live. Most anarchists I know are showing up to mutual aid, cussing out city council members for empowering cops and are in general more helpful.

The last writings of Lenin was 1923 a hundred years have since passed. Most marxists leninists I know haven't read Murray Bookchin. Or don't like to equate an Andrewism video to the the writings of Marx or Lenin. It's like they think time stood still.

This also seems to be the case with most Marxists Leninists perspective on forgien policy as well. To think of North Korean as anything other then a monarchy doesn't feel inline with either of Marx or Lenin's writings. The USSR was what happens when a country with barely enough capitol becomes communist country in a short amount of time and unfortunately sometimes even forced.

Which brings me to Cuba. Cuba is a socialist country that has been constantly harassed, escalated, and intervened with. Cuda would be a successful socialist country if other countries wouldn't treat them as a stage to dispute their differences and not recognizing things like the bay of pigs and the Cuban missile crisis in their history is very short sighted. Just as not recognizing current day atrocious that still take place there to this day.

As an anarchist I observe that Obama said he wanted to close Guantánamo but didn't. And come to the conclusion that the military industrial complex wouldn't let that happen. Free the people in Guantánamo detention camp. Return Guantánamo bay to the people of Cuba. Dissolve the CIA hold them accountable. End the Patriot act. Fuck the police. Abolish the prison industrial complex. Abolish the military industrial complex.

Can we make a list of countries that are AES without having fascist / totalitarian characteristics?

Dude I can't even get them to acknowledge China isn't a good guy in every action, don't bother.

I personally despise all nation states

Is Anarcho-Leninism a thing now? It sounds as antithetical as an atheist regularly going to the [place of cult] to pray.
Since they're all over the place in that other post already, some Hexbear anarchists can surely take a little time off from dunking in order to explain how they deal with such a contradiction, and what it means exactly for them.