The purpose of a system is what it does
this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2024
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Either way, change is needed. And electing a fascist is going to make change more difficult.
Would you rather push a boulder up a hill... or up a sheer cliff face while stormtroopers at the top are shooting at you and rounding up everyone who could help and putting them in camps?
Exactly. Thank you.
Idk, “after Hitler, our turn” worked out good for those people last century
You mean it worked out for the people he didn't eradicate
This was sarcasm. It in fact was not them after Hitler because he was a dictator who killed them. The idea that we should sit out this election to punish Dems is fucking idiotic because fascist authoritarians tend to clean house of people they dislike.
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No political system is perfect. Ever.
They require constant vigilance. They require battling. Human greed is capable of corrupting every system that a human mind can create.
Anyone that tells you they have a perfect political system that would never need fixing is a liar, an idiot, or both.
"Revolution only ever results in a change of masters"
"One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."
"Revolution only ever results in a change of masters"
Haiti would like to talk to you.
Slavery finished, replaced with forced labour and serfdom? That Haiti?
I'm not sure why you're arguing in favour of literal slavery, but ok. There are other examples:
- Bavaria in 1919
- Spain with the CNT/FAI in the 1930s
- The 1905 revolution in Russia, along with the 1917 revolution
I'm not arguing for slavery, you're misunderstanding the quote. I didn't say the change of masters was inherently no better than the previous masters.
Revolution is always, in every example, a doorway for powerhungry authoritarians to swoop in.
The fact that Haitians were eventually much better off than as slaves doesn't change that.
Revolution is always, in every example, a doorway for powerhungry authoritarians to swoop in.
I disagree. Like I said: CNT/FAI Catalonia, 1919 Bavaria and anarchist Ukraine are counterexamples.
If a revolution is thorough enough to eradicate the hierarchical structure of oppression, it doesn't have to be used by authoritarians.
Ok, why not create a human system that's not succeptible to greed by introducing usufruct property relations?
I read up on it, but I'm not sure how that's immune to greed. Are you able to explain?
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As long as you can vote, the system can be fixed. If you don't vote the system may get to a point where it can't be fixed.
If you want that outcome go watch the movie Civil War. You're likely to be one of the people in that refugee camp, or maybe in a mass grave because you're the "wrong kind of American". That's the kind of shit that happens when the system is destroyed.
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I've come back around to the thought that even by the metric of working as intended, the system is broken
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