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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appeared somber and, at times, angry in a blistering address to the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, as he sought to shore up support for his country’s war effort and demand that Russia be punished for the invasion.

Wearing his trademark green fatigues at the dais at the front of the hall, Zelenskyy furrowed his brow as he called for other countries to recognize that Russia was not just a threat to Ukraine — but to the entire world. He appealed for other countries to help hold the line against Moscow, as “mass destruction is gaining momentum.”

“While Russia is pushing the world to the final war, Ukraine is doing everything to ensure that after Russian aggression, no one will dare to attack any nation,” Zelenskyy said.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago

There’s a lot of countries with belligerent neighbors who so far have not developed a nuclear program watching what kind of help Ukraine gets and for how long very, very closely

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Wow, hearing him speak hit me hard. The frustration he feels is palpable.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (22 children)

U.S. could help put an end to this if they stopped pussy footing around and provided top tier weapon systems.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly I'd guess they want to keep their top tier weapons a secret from the world. They don't want China seeing how they work and developing a counter to it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

This isn't about Area 51 flying saucers but ATACMS and the like. Over 30 years old by now you're not preventing the Chinese from developing similar systems by not shipping it to Ukraine, China already has a very comparable system, barely younger.

It's a rocket, that is, not exactly rocket science any more.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's fine. I'm thinking the U.S. isn't even supplying 2nd grade level equipment. I believe there's plenty of more sophisticated weapons that should be given to Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yes M1 Abrahms tanks are so shitty lol. Same with those HIMARS and Bradleys. /s

F16? Yeah ok. Sure. They're old. I'll give you that. Still effective though.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

We don't even give our top tier systems to places like Canada, the UK, and Australia when they buy American aircraft/surface platforms on contract. There's no way in hell we'd send them off to Ukraine to potentially be revealed or captured.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure they could. Probably wouldn't have any repercussions either.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The US doesn't want a swift end to this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's unfair for Ukraine but Russia getting tangled up in this mess means they have less time and means to mess with the rest of the World. Hopefully, it will even accelerate Putin's downfall.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

russia lost on day 4. The rest of this is to see how badly and in what ways. And to save as many Ukrainian lives and civic institutions as possible. Zelenskyy is focused on the latter, lives and infrastructure, as he should be. Slava Ukraini!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appeared somber and, at times, angry in a blistering address to the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, as he sought to shore up support for his country’s war effort and demand that Russia be punished for the invasion.

Wearing his trademark green fatigues at the dais at the front of the hall, Zelenskyy furrowed his brow as he called for other countries to recognize that Russia was not just a threat to Ukraine — but to the entire world.

Moscow also used threats against the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant and drove up energy and food insecurity by bombing Ukrainian ports to sow discord locally and internationally, Zelenskyy argued.

It appeared Ukraine hoped to perhaps cash in on Zelenskyy’s growing global celebrity to further international dialogue with those countries present, and it worked as many diplomats and leaders took photos of the young Ukrainian president, a former television comedian, as he spoke.

Zelenskyy’s physical presence at the U.N. on Tuesday demonstrated a more direct diplomatic approach with allies, partners and other major world governments, such as India and Brazil, that have largely remained on the sidelines in the conflict.

The American president’s speech spent noticeably little time focused on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the challenges the eastern European country faces — a departure from last year’s address — though Biden clearly laid the blame for the war at the Kremlin’s feet.


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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Out of all the countries providing aid to Ukraine the US isn't providing enough aid to rank even top 10 by gdp. The US signed a defensive pact with Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their nukes. The US should really step up with the help, countries with no such treaty are even doing more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US has absolutely not signed a defensive pact with Ukraine. Its commitment in the Budapest memorandum is limited to respecting Ukraine’s sovereignty and bringing matters to UN Security Council in case that sovereignty is violated, which does nothing as long as the violating party is a permanent member. The whole document was pretty a nice political declaration. Don’t get me wrong, I think the US should provide all help possible to Ukraine, but saying that it has a defensive pact or a treaty obligation to do so is unfair.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So lesson learned: don't give up your nukes unless you're getting into an actual defensive alliance in exchange (NATO, EU...).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I can’t see anyone else ever giving up nukes again, except for special situations like South Africa.