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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago

Thought exercise lmao

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

I might pay a small fee for a guaranteed interview. If I can get in front of someone, I usually score. OTOH, I'd never trust a company doing this, so...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago

Time is money. Even if I don't get the job, I feel I should still get paid a minimum of an hourly wage for the waste of my time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I get that it's annoying to have a lot of (obviously) under qualified applications, and someone has to go through them. I just don't think it's possible to solve this problem without being unfair to at least some applicants.

More contextI was part of a hiring committee for a professor job at an European university last year. The job description was clear enough that you got the vibe "this is a high profile job. Only apply if you think you really are high profile for a European university."

And we got soooo many trash applications, we rejected more than 90% in the first screening. Some obvious ones, and some less obvious ones. The obvious ones were the most annoying, because wtf is that application. One that will always stay in my mind is the application of an already established professor, which consisted only of a CV that looked like a 3 year old glued it together and someone replicated that in Power Point in 2003. I was so confused about this application, because how tf did this person think this was enough? They're an established professor! They really should know how applications work.

So yeah, I get that there are a lot of annoying applications coming in that feel like a waste of time for everyone. Asking money to apply will not help tho.

Maybe hire someone to help with the applications..? No wait, then you'd have to go through even more applications. /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

The job description was clear enough that you got the vibe "this is a high profile job. Only apply if you think you really are high profile for a European university."

Lol I apply for things like that cause what the fuck are they doing on Indeed?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (6 children)

For those complaining that it's a terrible idea, and it may well be, have your ever been on the receiving end of shotgunned resumes?

What's a good solution to this?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's shitty on both ends. For those hiring they have to go through all the applicants, interviews, etc, but all the applicants are going through the same thing: applying to jobs whose descriptions do not match reality, interviews with people who already do not intend to hire them, pay rates not listed or misleading...

How do you suggest applicants deal with this? Should employers have to pay $20 per application they wish to receive?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The idea is to cut on people who shouldn't be sending out resumes to this job posting. It's the same with public healthcare. A lot of older people go to the doctor to talk to someone. All because it's "free". The consequences being huge queues to any doctor you might want to visit. But placing a tiny fee like a dollar, automatically makes people stop and think - do I really need to go there to talk about something that has been diagnosed 50 times by now? All the stuff you talk about can be dealt with by new laws - mandating accurate pay rates that cannot be larger than a 10% difference between max and min for instance. You could force employers to state if the position is open to internal hiring too. Hell, it could even be a deposit instead of a fee - so you don't shotgun 100 job postings by not even looking at what they expect just submitting CVs.

At the end of the day, there's potential for abuse everywhere. You can curb it in some places and can't do anything in others. But just because something doesn't solve all the problems, doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

I need money. Too bad I don't have any money.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

This is the most entitled white guy take.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

Exchange ideas by listening to mine, avoid criticism by labeling it vitriol.

I would gladly pay for him to briefly notice and reject me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I paid an application fee to apply for the local electrical union JATC

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