To me it felt like previous Windows on ARM attempts: promised a lot, released with problems (mainly compatibility this time), then quickly forgotten because x86 chips caught up anyway.
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Definitely had issues on first release, but a lot has improved since then without getting much coverage. Btw I wouldn't say that x86 has 'caught up' especially if your metric is power efficiency, not just raw power. Until we see a realistic RISC-V offering arm will likely remain king in that space.
I always hear power efficiency as an argument that ARM chips are magically better at, but Ryzen AI 300 and Intel Core Ultra 200V series seem to be very competitive with Qualcomm's offering. It's hard to compare 1:1 as the same chip in different laptops can be configured very differently in terms of TDP and power curves and the efficiency "sweet spots" aren't the same for all these different chips. Core Ultra 200V is also awaiting more thorough testing, but it seems to be right up there with the Snapdragon.
I honestly found the Snapdragon X very underwhelming after all that marketing of how much better it was than Apple's M3 and Intel's and AMD's offerings. By the time the Snapdragon was actually available in end-user products, AMD's and Intel's competing generations were right around the corner and we've also seen a vastly improved M4 chip (although only in an iPad so far, so meh). Add to that the issues that you'll encounter because while Windows' x86 to ARM translation layer has certainly improved, it's nowhere near as seamless as what Apple did.
I wonder if they know that "pause indefinitely" has a word they can use. That word is "Stop". Qualcomm has stopped supporting the device. They have stopped producing it. Not "paused indefinitely".
That's not the same thing though. "Paused indefinitely" means they intend to pick it back up at an undisclosed time in the future.
Corporate executives love using the word pause to allow the possibility for a resume. It also makes it not a failure since it never finishes negatively: it is paused.
It's word gymnastics.
Excuse my ignorance on arm situation on Windows, but this felt like same situation with third party arm sbc like Orange Pis and rockchip... In Orange Pi 5 and rockship as soon as community develop some stuff on their own, the developer stop providing assistance and pretty much abandon software support and to this day RK3588s (the soc used on OPi 5 and several other sbc) haven't got Vulkan support meanwhile Raspberry Pi 5 got its VK support 2 weeks after device public release which is shame for rockchip.
I wish Qualcomm competent enough to realise bringing software support boosts the hardware longevity as much as Apple did with their ecosystem which provide both software and hardware supports to make their chips runs at its maximum potential.
Just Qualcomm showing their customary hostility to developers.
They’re resentful they had to produce dev kits in the first place, so delayed them until after other companies produced retail products.
Either they’re scared of competing with new intel NUC SOCs built on their 18A process, or this confirms their buyout of Intel is happening, and they’re preparing to exit from the laptop/SFF space.
Didn’t Intel cancel NUC because it was just a tiny niche not worth the effort?
I can’t imagine Qualcomm, who traditionally sells chips to phone makers, has any interest in becoming a vendor of SFF PCs.
They sold the business to Asus and they are releasing new NUCs
Sort of, maybe. Intel will launch new hardware demonstrators as product lines for consumers, with the goal of pushing their OEM customers to create similar product lines i.e. USFF PCs.
They do this with laptops, and a bunch of other stuff. They'd rather not be in the retail hardware business, but they also realize that PC OEMs operate on slim margins, and as such are not the most creative risk takers.
So it's in Intel's interest to periodically launch new consumer lines to (hopefully) prove there's a market to be had, with whatever new product type of they're launching. Powered by Intel of course.
At least, that's my understanding of the issue.
I thought the NUC was such a great idea for home servers, I bought one from AMD.
Odd. Seems like a winner form factor for a little Nvidia Shield replacement / TV gaming machine. Wonder if there is an inherent flaw we haven't heard about yet.
the Developer Kit product comprehensively has not met our usual standards of excellence and so we are reaching out to let you know that unfortunately we have made the decision to pause this product and the support of it, indefinitely.
It sounds like they fucked something up.
The inherent flaw is Qualcomm actually having to properly support one of their chipsets directly to customers for once, something they're apparently really bad at. This box has had some pretty bad press already, mostly due to the software being abysmal.
has the author saved a misspelling into their autocorrect?
Qualcomm Snapdragon X may achieve better success if they followed Apple's path (a well rounded dev kit), and makes Linux first class support instead of Windows with the Copilot+ PC which proven is a dumpster fire.